Joint Working in Allied Health Professions
Date: 20/08/2013 Host: @Wedotherapy
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#OTalk 23rd July 2013 – Risk Enablement in Practice – Transcript.
This weeks #OTalk was very busy I have not been able to go through it all myself yet, but thought I would get the transcript out so it is available for everyone to read.
Thank you for such a lively and stimulating debate so many things to consider. Enjoy.
If you have any thoughts, or write a blog about the chat or any of the idea raised for example what got you thinking? What does this all mean for your practice please feel free to share with us and will can add links to the discussion.
Again thank you for a great debate. Chat soon.
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@Helen_otuk is hosting tonights #OTalk on Risk Enablement http://t.co/cl11ixu5K9 |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Who is online for tonights #otalk? we will be starting shortly |
| gutlesskayaking |
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#otalk anybody out there? I’m Justin, recently qualified OT in UK |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Hey there, not sure how useful il be. Brain hurts. Off to get me Rolos first! #otalk |
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@GillyGorry aka ME is managing the @OTalk_Occhat account this evening. Please let me know if you need any assistance #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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I’ll be popping in and out #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: @Helen_otuk is hosting tonights #OTalk on Risk Enablement http://t.co/cl11ixu5K9 |
| kirstyes |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: @Helen_otuk is hosting tonights #OTalk on Risk Enablement http://t.co/cl11ixu5K9 |
| BoothRach |
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I’m here #OTalk |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@OTalk_Occhat Hello, looking forward to tonight’s #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@gutlesskayaking hello and welcome! Congratulations on being qualified. #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@gutlesskayaking hello and welcome! Congratulations on being qualified. #otalk |
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Please remember to adhere to your code of ethics and professional conduct and respect the views of others during #otalk happy tweeting 🙂 |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Please remember to adhere to your code of ethics and professional conduct and respect the views of others during #otalk happy tweeting 🙂 |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @BAOTCOT: Tonight’s #OTalk is on risk enablement: http://t.co/35u5FSEiIM Follow the hashtag from 8pm. |
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RT @eileenhegarty7: @OTalk_Occhat Hello, looking forward to tonight’s #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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Good evening #OTalk, who is ready to discuss risk enablement in practice? |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@BoothRach welcome Rachel good to have you here #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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Evening all. Think tonight’s #otalk risk is the likelihood of me falling asleep. Need you guys to help me manage that ;0) |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@eileenhegarty7 Good to have you with us tonight Eileen, its going to be a goodie 🙂 #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@gutlesskayaking #otalk its all downhill from here on mate 🙂 |
| kirstyes |
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@gutlesskayaking congrats Justin, welcome to #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@gutlesskayaking congrats Justin, welcome to #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@Dai2584 Thanks for joining us! Popping in and out is fine by us 🙂 #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @Dai2584: @gutlesskayaking #otalk its all downhill from here on mate 🙂 |
| Helen_otuk |
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#OTalk So have we been thinking about how we enable risk in our practice? http://t.co/CBUXsNRGPL |
| family_success |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: @Helen_otuk is hosting tonights #OTalk on Risk Enablement http://t.co/cl11ixu5K9 |
| OTtwehytweets |
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I’m here popping in & out 🙂 #otalk |
| Sasa_Radic |
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Also here tonight #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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Whats the difference between risk mangement and enablement then? #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Rolos #otalk http://t.co/z2WFtxZ4qJ |
| gutlesskayaking |
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#otalk thanks for the encouraging words! thought my experience of risk may be of interest |
| Helen_otuk |
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Good question? RT @Dai2584: Whats the difference between risk management and enablement then? #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Dai2584 enablement positive risk? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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Article on risk in this month’s BJOT. Not had chance to read it yet, has anyone? http://t.co/R6c3taxFAn #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Can someone give me an example of positive risk enablement? I’m kinda new to this subject being a student & all ?? #otalk |
| family_success |
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“@Helen_otuk: Good evening #OTalk, who is ready to discuss risk enablement in practice?” I am on, but under the weather so observing. |
| kirstyes |
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@gutlesskayaking def, look forward to hearing it. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@OTtwehytweets me to… #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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RT @Helen_otuk: Good question? RT @Dai2584: Whats the difference between risk management and enablement then? #otalk |
| jennyot92 |
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@OTalk_Occhat hi, my first time taking part in this, looking forward to it 🙂 #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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for me risk management is art of risk enablement…… but not the whole thing. #OTalk we have to manage risk but we should also enable risk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Symbolic_Life I guess we will learn from each other 🙂 #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Dai2584 the diff between risk mangement and enablement then? #otalk I’d say management often focuses on avoidance, enable -taking safe |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@kirstyes allure #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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#otalk i’m on life support system, complex medical stuff. I wanted to go travelling, docs were v sceptical of logistics and risk to health |
| _beckyOT |
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Evening all! #otalk |
| _beckyOT |
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Evening all! #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @kirstyes: RT @Dai2584 the diff between risk mangement and enablement then? #otalk I’d say management often focuses on avoidance, enable… |
| Dai2584 |
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@OTtwehytweets #otalk Im MH OT try and interlink care plan with risk plan. So you are using risk postively in regard to outcomes |
| TherapistOT |
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#otalk @danbrunetti was talking about Dark Occupation & was thinking about things like fighting which I guess slips into this area |
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#otalk @danbrunetti was talking about Dark Occupation & was thinking about things like fighting which I guess slips into this area |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @Dai2584: @OTtwehytweets #otalk Im MH OT try and interlink care plan with risk plan. So you are using risk postively in regard to outcom… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Dai2584 @OTtwehytweets so are you adapting to create positive risk? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes @Dai2584 I would say risk management is more like having the client taking no more than “calculated risk” #otalk 1/2 |
| gutlesskayaking |
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#otalk travelling for me meant hiking and camping for 4 weeks in Norway |
| Helen_otuk |
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@gutlesskayaking very ‘risky’? how did it work out for you? #OTalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@TherapistOT @danbrunetti There’s a great journal on that. ‘Dark side of occupations’ you seen? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes @Dai2584 risk enablement, however, is having the client take on risk just a little more than previously tolerated. #otalk 2/2 |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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Good evening everyone #OTalk |
| BoothRach |
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RT @Dai2584: @OTtwehytweets #otalk Im MH OT try and interlink care plan with risk plan. So you are using risk postively in regard to outcom… |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @Dai2584 @OTtwehytweets or on the flip side, controlled failure is also key. #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Dai2584 can u give an example of positive risk for someone in MH I’ve yet to have my 8week placement in MH #Otalk |
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@jennyot92 woohoo!! excellent! welcome to your first #otalk 🙂 please ask if you need help 🙂 |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life @OTtwehytweets #otalk should of yes. My care plan and risks plan read the same in general |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@BillWongOT @kirstyes @Dai2584 #otalk who does the calculating ? |
| _beckyOT |
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There is risk in everything we do – grading risk in the use of activities enabled service users to progress #otalk |
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@TherapistOT sounds interesting! can you expand on what was said? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee evening. Look forward to your views on risk #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@Helen_otuk #otalk it came down to the therapeutic relationship. Me and docs needed to build trust in each other |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BillWongOT @Dai2584 @OTtwehytweets uh? Can you elaborate please? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@gutlesskayaking @kirstyes @Dai2584 good question… I would say the OT, since he/she probably has a rapport w/ the client by then #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@TherapistOT would love to know more about that, interesting! #Otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@gutlesskayaking @BillWongOT @Dai2584 it should be done in collaboration. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @_beckyOT: There is risk in everything we do – grading risk in the use of activities enabled service users to progress #otalk |
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RT @_beckyOT: There is risk in everything we do – grading risk in the use of activities enabled service users to progress #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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Yes partnership… RT @gutlesskayaking: #otalk it came down to the therapeutic relationship. Me and docs needed to build trust in each other |
| BoothRach |
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@Symbolic_Life @Dai2584 @OTtwehytweets and diss joining the risk with MDT trying to put the need first and finding away to achieve #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@BoothRach ah I see that’s an excellent example thank u 🙂 cud perhaps open my mind now & think of a few more from my own placements #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@gutlesskayaking @BillWongOT @kirstyes #otalk together always if possible |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets @Dai2584 from my personal experience, I would say something like initiating conversation w/ some1 I don’t know. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@BillWongOT @kirstyes @Dai2584 were does that sit with the clients wishes and choice to take risk? #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @Dai2584: @gutlesskayaking @BillWongOT @kirstyes #otalk together always if possible |
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RT @Dai2584: @OTtwehytweets #otalk Im MH OT try and interlink care plan with risk plan. So you are using risk postively in regard to outcom… |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@OTtwehytweets #otalk my docs were reluctant for me to carry out my plans. we needed TIME to build trust. |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @Dai2584 @OTtwehytweets controlled failures can be used as learning experiences for clients, too. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach @Dai2584 @OTtwehytweets ah ok yes i did a lot of complex risk management in my last placement.Had to think then. Automatic #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes @Dai2584 I would say it depends, sometimes clients can be frisky. #otalk |
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@gutlesskayaking how did this work out? #otalk |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: @Helen_otuk #otalk it came down to the therapeutic relationship. Me and docs needed to build trust in each other |
| kirstyes |
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@TherapistOT and I suspect we need to use a good level of narrative reasoning to support risk enablement. #otalk |
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RT @Helen_otuk: for me risk management is art of risk enablement…… but not the whole thing. #OTalk we have to manage risk but we should… |
| danbrunetti |
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#otalk does positive risk taking involve voicing ideas that are not normally associated with client groups? i.e. masculine sports in LD? |
| jennyot92 |
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Positive risk is a brilliant tool for development, it helps you see how someone reacts in a real life situation as real life is risk #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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RT @_beckyOT: There is risk in everything we do – grading risk in the use of activities enabled service users to progress #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life @Dai2584 controlled failures?? can u elaborate? #Otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @kirstyes: @TherapistOT and I suspect we need to use a good level of narrative reasoning to support risk enablement. #otalk |
| overworkedOTA |
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I’m hear #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@_beckyOT yup! And sometimes caregivers, too… since they have to be on the same page with us. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk does positive risk taking involve voicing ideas that are not normally associated with client groups? i.e. masculine… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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My last placement service was a step down rehab dealing mostly with risk management for people to return home. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk does positive risk taking involve voicing ideas that are not normally associated with client groups? i.e. masculine… |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk does positive risk taking involve voicing ideas that are not normally associated with client groups? i.e. masculine… |
| kirstyes |
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@danbrunetti great question #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@_beckyOT and sometimes… we also need to communicate with the rest of the MDT about that. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@TherapistOT yes, I find that systematic processes help when assessing risk and discussing risk in terms of managing and enabling #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@OTalk_Occhat #otalk I went camping and hiking, now I go kayaking 420 miles on life support and Dr is right behind me – even joins in! |
| danbrunetti |
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#otalk risk is often more associated with what a person could lose, when it should be about what someone can gain. |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets @Symbolic_Life @Dai2584 when you are on placements, I am sure you might have experienced your share. #otalk 1/2 |
| Helen_otuk |
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team effort? RT @BillWongOT: @_beckyOT yup! And sometimes caregivers, too… since they have to be on the same page with us. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@TherapistOT if you remember to at the #otalk to your tweet all of our other tweeters will see you tweets. 🙂 |
| BoothRach |
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Just my experiences but I sometimes find other member of the MDT more risk adverse than me! Do OT’s think about risk differently? #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@OTtwehytweets @BillWongOT @Symbolic_Life #otalk controlled failure could be a behavioral experiment? |
| HarryStarkPhD |
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@_beckyOT #Risk is willingly faced IF goal deals with experiencing aspects of SELF that are desired #otalk #Psychology |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@danbrunetti Good point – often clients are protected from many areas of occupation #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets @Symbolic_Life @Dai2584 basically, it’s having the person experienced failure on purpose for learning purposes. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk risk is often more associated with what a person could lose, when it should be about what someone can gain. |
| kirstyes |
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@BillWongOT did you mean frisky or risky? #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: @OTalk_Occhat #otalk I went camping and hiking, now I go kayaking 420 miles on life support and Dr is right behind me … |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach positive risk. Allowing risk to be possible adapting occupation to make it possible!? #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@BillWongOT @kirstyes @Dai2584 Frisky or risky? If a client understands the risk and still wishes to take it how waould you approach.#otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@gutlesskayaking excellent! #OTalk could you share the + / – of your experience? |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets @Dai2584 ooooo! #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk risk is often more associated with what a person could lose, when it should be about what someone can gain. |
| BillWongOT |
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@Helen_otuk @_beckyOT well… that can be the case in some situations where clients might not have good judgment about risk. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Dai2584: Whats the difference between risk mangement and enablement then? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@gutlesskayaking wonder how their viewed the risk to him and whether then exaggerated this to you? #otalk Both sound risky to non outdoorsy |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@BoothRach I think we do cos involvement in occupation usually involves some risk #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes I do mean frisky. 🙂 #otalk |
| _beckyOT |
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Definitely a team effort – consistency with positive risk taking will increase a service users confidence @Helen_otuk @BillWongOT #OTalk |
| TherapistOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat sorry!#otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@OTalk_Occhat #otalk but to do stuff I need my medical team to buy into my plans. So I make sure they know that I am aware of risks |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @kirstyes: RT @Dai2584 the diff between risk mangement and enablement then? #otalk I’d say management often focuses on avoidance, enable… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Risk and negotiation vs consequence would be interesting #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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Good point RT @HarryStarkPhD: #Risk is willingly faced IF goal deals with experiencing aspects of SELF that are desired #otalk #Psychology |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @OTtwehytweets @Dai2584 for example, had I failed the interview for my job, that would have been considered one. #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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I guess there is management of risk in most aspects of OT when dealing with clients, could think of a few from paeds & LD placement #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @OTtwehytweets @Dai2584 that’s because the OT can facilitate me to debrief about what went wrong. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@TherapistOT sounds like a very interesting discussion. I do like to heat opinions of non OTs/ health profs on this #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@BillWongOT ok, wanted to be sure. If this is related to condition, need to review their capacity/explain risk. #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@eileenhegarty7 does that ‘protection’ result in occupational deprivation? #OTalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: @OTalk_Occhat #otalk but to do stuff I need my medical team to buy into my plans. So I make sure they know that I am a… |
| BoothRach |
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@eileenhegarty7 @danbrunetti indeed are we not meeting clients full potentials -closed about risk and what we think someone can do? #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @BoothRach positive risk. Allowing risk to be possible adapting occupation to make it possible!? #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@gutlesskayaking hearing your perspective is really making me think. #otalk thanks |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes @Dai2584 depends on the situation. usually I’ll encourage him/her to try & have him/her take responsibility. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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I’ve been reviewing recently client relationship considering narrative and motivation increases clients motivation to risk. #otalk |
| family_success |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: @TherapistOT if you remember to at the #otalk to your tweet all of our other tweeters will see you tweets. 🙂 |
| Helen_otuk |
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@kirstyes good point Kirsty, do our own experiences or lack there of influence our view of risk? #Otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@gutlesskayaking listening to your story has really opened my eyes. You are amazing #Otalk |
| overworkedOTA |
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@BoothRach .. the person to overcome the trigger. #otalk am I on the right track here. |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes yes… or trying to find middle ground in some instances. #otalk want to give them “just right” challenge. |
| kirstyes |
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We all make risky choices regularly (I wore new shoes without socks today #blisters) as soon as need intervention protected from all #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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I find risk in the secure setting fascinating. It requires creative adaptation to ensure meaningful purpose and relevance to client #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @Helen_otuk: @kirstyes good point Kirsty, do our own experiences or lack there of influence our view of risk? #Otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: Risk and negotiation vs consequence would be interesting #otalk |
| TherapistOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat #otalk essential to avoid silo thinking & finding the assumptions we build |
| _beckyOT |
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Yes working towards meaningful goals support the individual in wanting to achieve taking into account potential risks @HarryStarkPhD #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: @OTalk_Occhat #otalk but to do stuff I need my medical team to buy into my plans. So I make sure they know that I am a… |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: Risk and negotiation vs consequence would be interesting #otalk |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@Helen_otuk It does. We’ve had clients taken out of our dance classes because of this ‘protection’. #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets yes- as a service user, I generally am on the conservative end. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@OTtwehytweets can you share one! #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @BoothRach positive risk. Allowing risk to be possible adapting occupation to make it possible!? #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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Good point, negotiation always key to enablment? RT @Symbolic_Life: Risk and negotiation vs consequence would be interesting #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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Is this risky? would OTs joining in this #OTalk voice the idea of Mixed Martial Arts to a client with LD/DS? #OTalk http://t.co/PsXhn3ixB5 |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets but sometimes I will take some risks if the rewards are enticing. #otalk |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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I’ll say risk enablement is engaging in an inconvienent procedures that might not get you an applause initially but results #OTalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@danbrunetti ah the ‘power’ relationship implications on risk management #otalk |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@kirstyes I’ll say risk enablement is engaging in an inconvienent procedures that might not get you an applause initially but results #OTalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach interesting.. You never think of it when you do it? I should reflect on this! #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@Symbolic_Life knowing you have a self harming client in sharps art group, helps you NOT to restricted the activity but be wear #Otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@OTalk_Occhat #otalk i think it’s about developing the relationship. But on placements I found we rarely had the time to do so |
| SarahDobby77094 |
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#otalk how should ot’s record the risks? Part of the assessment or a separate document? |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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#otalk Did anyone see documentary on Hilary Lister on BBC last week? Illustrates power of risk taking to facilitate meaningful occupations |
| HarryStarkPhD |
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@_beckyOT Seems “personal” is always what makes for risk, but awareness leads to challenge of the reality (is it really risky?) #otalk |
| jennyot92 |
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@BoothRach I find that OTs are more likely to see the benefits that risks can hold and how it can be used to achieve goals #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@_beckyOT @HarryStarkPhD if the risks are relatively high, then OT has to reduce some of the risk (preferably not reduce reward) #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@danbrunetti #otalk if that was thier meaningful occupation yes |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@kirstyes I guess a tailored approach to risk by acknowledging that a child on ASD spectrum will affect each child differently #Otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach yes. I understand. Would you not include the sharp objects? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 in my sessions as a service user, my OT has done this assessment on the fly. #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 the reason my OT did that because she has a pretty solid rapport with me. #otalk |
| family_success |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: @TherapistOT sounds like a very interesting discussion. I do like to heat opinions of non OTs/ health profs on this #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@SarahDobby77094 During initial assessment I have a seperate risk doc. but I think risk is ongoing assessment #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets I wonder if how clients or how we view failure might impact on risk. #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 but otherwise, if I am an OT, I will have the client do a T-chart with pros and cons in such situations. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Helen_otuk @morrisKOT is currently working on a tool for engagement in a secure setting. She reviews the balance of consequence. #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@gutlesskayaking @OTalk_Occhat #otalk meaningful relationship for u or your patient? |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @TherapistOT: @OTalk_Occhat #otalk essential to avoid silo thinking & finding the assumptions we build |
| family_success |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: @OTalk_Occhat #otalk but to do stuff I need my medical team to buy into my plans. So I make sure they know that I am a… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@danbrunetti yes. Do we make these assumptions because we feel there’s limited understanding I wonder? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets @kirstyes that’s very true- from symptoms to levels of functioning. #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@kirstyes an e.g I can tink of was knowin 1 particular child worked better 1:1 than in bigger groups child seemed 2lash out wit more #Otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@danbrunetti don’t forget #otalk at the end of your tweets bud :). |
| danbrunetti |
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@Dai2584 good to hear it! I think some would shy away from what many neurotypical people consider risky. #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@jennyot92 agree!! @Work OT ADL kitchen is open all the time, on the wards they were striped of all ‘#risky‘ items. #Otalk |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@BillWongOT what kind of risk can be taken on a patient who is addicted to cannabis? #OTalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes @OTtwehytweets I think this depends on the client’s resiliency. I consider myself a pretty resilient person. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Do we make these assumptions because we feel there’s limited understanding I wonder? Social construction? #otalk |
| jennyot92 |
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@kirstyes @BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets fear of failure can be restrictive for both the clinician and the client #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@Dai2584 @OTalk_Occhat #otalk both . I have found, as a patient, that my motives, needs are sometimes different from the medics |
| TherapistOT |
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@danbrunetti @Symbolic_Life #otalk I think sometimes when faced with ethical dilemmas we close down rather than go through the complexity |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@kirstyes @BillWongOT yes I do think our own judgement on risk can impact on actual risk posed to client #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@Symbolic_Life maybe just accepting that the individual has capacity to make decision and then ‘managing’ ie have plan for what if? #Otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @OTtwehytweets: @kirstyes @BillWongOT yes I do think our own judgement on risk can impact on actual risk posed to client #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@Symbolic_Life no u would maybe be more aware of where it is during session, but taking it way only highlights there is a problem #Otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @TherapistOT: @danbrunetti @Symbolic_Life #otalk I think sometimes when faced with ethical dilemmas we close down rather than go through… |
| kirstyes |
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@OTtwehytweets with positive risk, knowing that in future child may need to function in groups may have 1:1 work parallel to group #otalk |
| SarahDobby77094 |
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#otalk @BillWongOT i tend to carry out risk ‘on the fly’ but need to record risks/how tried to overcome |
| _beckyOT |
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Risk of stroke patient falling when making tea. Session 1.Seated, 2.On perching stool, 3.In standing – therapeutic risk taking/graded #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@TherapistOT @danbrunetti I agree! We limit the occupation and client narrative for meaningful occs! #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@Dai2584 @OTalk_Occhat #otalk we all want the relationship to evolve, but maybe in different ways |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 yes… that’s why I prefer a T-diagram or something similar so that the client and I can be on the same page. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Helen_otuk OK. What if a client has known harmful behaviours eg with knifes. Do we use occupations with knifes? Like cooking? #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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@Symbolic_Life we make assumptions based on medical diagnoses and stereotypes: should Occupation at the centre and forget diagnosis #otalk |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@Helen_otuk @Symbolic_Life Do you think funding would impact on this – might cost more to let clients take more positive risks #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes @OTtwehytweets or just gradually increase the number of people in a group can be another way. #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@danbrunetti I would, but a used to practice MA and have an aunt with DS who also trained with me so have experience in the area #OTalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach ah ok. I understand. So this is reduction of the risk of failure? #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@overworkedOTA @Symbolic_Life but I would also say being risk alert at all times is important, risks can change in seconds #Otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@kirstyes never thought of that:) will definitely note for future reference I love how #otalk allows me 2see new perspectives from other OTs |
| kirstyes |
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@_beckyOT grading is a great way to encourage risk. #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes @OTtwehytweets rather than go for a big increase from 1:1 to 1:5… just add on 1 more kid when you think time is right. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: @Dai2584 @OTalk_Occhat #otalk we all want the relationship to evolve, but maybe in different ways |
| BoothRach |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: Do we make these assumptions because we feel there’s limited understanding I wonder? Social construction? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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RT @kirstyes: @_beckyOT grading is a great way to encourage risk. #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@Symbolic_Life what would the alternatives be? Would very much depend on ‘where’ the person was and also ‘how’ they are at time. #OTalk 1/2 |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@danbrunetti I agree! Has proven difficult in some services I believe!? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@kirstyes @_beckyOT as a service user, I noticed grading throughout my time in treatments. #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @OTtwehytweets: @kirstyes never thought of that:) will definitely note for future reference I love how #otalk allows me 2see new perspec… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@eileenhegarty7 @Helen_otuk possibly? Insurance? As long as options have been delivered and explained? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@OgundeleKaycee don’t really know… not my area of expertise. #otalk Others? |
| danbrunetti |
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@Helen_otuk that’s wicked, there’s empowerment, exhilaration, health, exercise and strength in these sports, like to hear it #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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@eileenhegarty7 @Symbolic_Life I guess that depends on of we are working to ‘need’ or ‘outcomes’ maybe? #OTalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk #otalk Ive done cooking with knives with some1 whoes voices told them to hurt themselves |
| TherapistOT |
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@Helen_otuk @danbrunetti #otalk it’s a dilemma for me as I would quite like to ban boxing!! |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @danbrunetti I know I fall into this trap, too. I adjust by trying to give client opportunities to “prove me wrong”. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets lots of diff ways to look at this. Adding just 1 may mean focus is on client, with more working together #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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me too RT @Dai2584: @Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk #otalk Ive done cooking with knives with some1 whoes voices told them to hurt themselves |
| kirstyes |
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@BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets they can be focused on something diff while client working 1:1 with carer. Depends on situation tho. #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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@Symbolic_Life I believe a sage philosopher said ‘it’s all about the money money money’ #otalk (see clustering) |
| SarahDobby77094 |
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#otalk@Symbolic_Life a very important point, SU has to take responsibility for their choices, |
| BoothRach |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk how can where assess if the risk has changed without exposing person to those risks in normal activities #Otalk |
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Sorry I’m late, hello everyone #Otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@eileenhegarty7 @Helen_otuk @Symbolic_Life interesting Q.not sure it would cost more push $ independence & choice saves money right?.#OTALK |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @danbrunetti: @Symbolic_Life I believe a sage philosopher said ‘it’s all about the money money money’ #otalk (see clustering) |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee @BillWongOT with regards to what in particular? #otalk Feel I need a context. |
| BillWongOT |
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@danbrunetti Some pediatrics clinics do have classes like that for these clients. #otalk I think my peds clinic has some. |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@danbrunetti ah I know clustering well. It’s not the greatest source of client centred practice! #otalk |
| jennyot92 |
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@OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk very interesting viewpoint, I’d never considered the cost implications of positive risk #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk #otalk U agree task , plan session and get on with it |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @SarahDobby77094: #otalk@Symbolic_Life a very important point, SU has to take responsibility for their choices, |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@Helen_otuk @Symbolic_Life true, supporting positive risk may lead to better outcomes in the long run i.e. more independance #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach @Helen_otuk interesting #otalk I need a risk lesson! |
| OTtwehytweets |
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A positive approach to risk requires person/client centred thinking then?? #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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@TherapistOT @Helen_otuk never’ve given much thought until beginning strength training etc, &realised how much everything it needed #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 I agree. I know my OT has this as an unwritten rule for me during the tx’s we have together. #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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#otalk got to go, check out OT on the water at http://t.co/IyPh87l97T raising funds for bowel cancer research |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Dai2584 @Helen_otuk communication is key! #otalk |
| SarahDobby77094 |
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#otalk @BillWongOT what do you mean by a t diagram? |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @OTtwehytweets: A positive approach to risk requires person/client centred thinking then?? #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@Nnikki_Duffy Welcome Nichola 🙂 #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@Helen_otuk as an example if I’m a perfectionist I may not want clients to do anything they won’t get perfect?? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets I think so… at least from my experience as a service user. #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@eileenhegarty7 @Helen_otuk @Symbolic_Life maybe, training HCA’s and unqualified staff on positive risk would help but would cost #Otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: #otalk got to go, check out OT on the water at http://t.co/IyPh87l97T raising funds for bowel cancer research |
| danbrunetti |
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@BillWongOT ah, I live in Kent, UK, land bereft of innovation and money… good to hear it exists somewhere, though. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee can you share an example of what this might look like? #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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agree! RT @Symbolic_Life: @Dai2584 @Helen_otuk communication is key! #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk #otalk communication is everthing |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@gutlesskayaking thanks for joining us #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: #otalk got to go, check out OT on the water at http://t.co/IyPh87l97T raising funds for bowel cancer research |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@gutlesskayaking Great to hear your story. Come back for more #otalk |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@kirstyes. High rate of smoking cannabis coupled with hyper aggressive behavior #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@jennyot92 @BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets I think so too, fear we won’t meet our outcomes, so we don’t try! #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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I’m learning sooo much! Critical head OTs! #Otalk |
| TherapistOT |
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@danbrunetti @Helen_otuk #otalk things like boys clubs have genuine working class value & is true to area needs but makes me uncomfortable |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @kirstyes: @jennyot92 @BillWongOT @OTtwehytweets I think so too, fear we won’t meet our outcomes, so we don’t try! #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Symbolic_Life in a round about way that’s exactly what I was thinking & suggesting 🙂 #otalk #coreOT |
| danbrunetti |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk I would, I think not addressing the elephant in the room with safety is unsafe #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @kirstyes: @Helen_otuk as an example if I’m a perfectionist I may not want clients to do anything they won’t get perfect?? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee ok, but where is the risk, what occupation would you want to promote? #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @OTtwehytweets: A positive approach to risk requires person/client centred thinking then?? #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 I meant this- http://t.co/xzT6x9mTB7 #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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I would agree RT @OTtwehytweets: A positive approach to risk requires person/client centred thinking then?? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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“@OTtwehytweets: A positive approach to risk requires person/client centred thinking then?? #otalk” I concur with this. |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach ah.. Ok. excellent. When will I fully get this? Student / professional transition! #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@danbrunetti in US is a bit more common. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@gutlesskayaking thanks for sharing your valuable experience. Do you have a blog post on managing risk that we can link to? #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@overworkedOTA @BoothRach Got it. #student #otalk |
| missblossomdot |
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#otalk positive risk taking (e.g. Empowering unescorted leave) can be life changing but its a balance game between risk & gain |
| Nnikki_Duffy |
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@Symbolic_Life #OTalk wonder if its not about others being risk adverse just OT’s understanding its part of everyday life and who we are. |
| Helen_otuk |
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@gutlesskayaking thanks for sharing with us. #Otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @jennyot92: @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk very interesting viewpoint, I’d never considered the cost implications of positive risk #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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@OgundeleKaycee @kirstyes Cannabis is not addictive, behaviour is, so lowering the amount, refocusing occupation? #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach @Helen_otuk thank you! That would be ace! I think I know it but I need a refresh and reflect on it #otalk |
| jennyot92 |
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@OTtwehytweets @OTalk_Occhat I would say that is vital as it is only through knowing your client that you can judge appropriate risk #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @OTtwehytweets: @Symbolic_Life in a round about way that’s exactly what I was thinking & suggesting 🙂 #otalk #coreOT |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@OTtwehytweets @Symbolic_Life: @OTtwehytweets Yes client centred practice is core OT philosophy.services are needs led. #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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#otalk read a good chapter on theraputic use of self today by Alison Semour. Lots of risk to weight up but i find it useful |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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RT @Nnikki_Duffy: @Symbolic_Life #OTalk wonder if its not about others being risk adverse just OT’s understanding its part of everyday life… |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@jennyot92 @OTtwehytweets yes, individualised assessments, which are an ongoing process #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Nnikki_Duffy exactly risk is everything it’s just how it’s managed #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@missblossomdot very much so, if something goes wrong how do you deal with it? #Otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @danbrunetti: @Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk I would, I think not addressing the elephant in the room with safety is unsafe #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @Nnikki_Duffy: @Symbolic_Life #OTalk wonder if its not about others being risk adverse just OT’s understanding its part of everyday life… |
| danbrunetti |
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@TherapistOT @Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk I’m stumped on any elephant related puns #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @danbrunetti: @TherapistOT @Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk I’m stumped on any elephant related puns #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @Dai2584: #otalk read a good chapter on theraputic use of self today by Alison Semour. Lots of risk to weight up but i find it useful |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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What a lively #otalk final 10 minutes. #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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he he RT @TherapistOT: I don’t think we should let elephants in the room at all ! That can’t be safe #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @missblossomdot: #otalk positive risk taking (e.g. Empowering unescorted leave) can be life changing but its a balance game between risk… |
| danbrunetti |
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@OgundeleKaycee @kirstyes used to work in forensic MH, cannabis was a big thing, &shutting it down was risky, it went underground #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @BoothRach: @missblossomdot very much so, if something goes wrong how do you deal with it? #Otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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WOW! That went quick, thanks for the prompt. RT @OTalk_Occhat: What a lively #otalk final 10 minutes. #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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@Helen_otuk @TherapistOT how about horse? #Otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Symbolic_Life @BoothRach @Helen_otuk can I receive this power point you do with students too please? 🙂 #otalk |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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I’m learning a great deal on risk enablement here. Thumbs up y’all #OTalk |
| SarahDobby77094 |
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#otalk@BillWongOT in t chart is it risk 1 side solution on other? |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Symbolic_Life @BoothRach @Helen_otuk refresh & reflection is always good #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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ok with just 5 mins left What are your take away thoughts? #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@danbrunetti @OgundeleKaycee thanks for input, was wondering what aspect to focus on, broad area. . #otalk |
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wondering if #otalk ers have ever taken risks against advice themselves? #viewformtheotherside 🙂 I know I have. |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Helen_otuk: he he RT @TherapistOT: I don’t think we should let elephants in the room at all ! That can’t be safe #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@OTtwehytweets @BoothRach @Helen_otuk it’s key to learning and understanding of self in therapy 😉 #otalk |
| Nnikki_Duffy |
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@BoothRach @missblossomdot Reflection, sometimes with all the best will in the world and the most Intricate risk ax plan #OTalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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Everyday! RT @GillyGorry: wondering if #otalk ers have ever taken risks against advice themselves? #viewformtheotherside 🙂 I know I have. |
| BoothRach |
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I also think risk asses,net should be. Team thing not a individual thing, people see things you have missed #Otalk @overworkedOTA |
| BillWongOT |
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@SarahDobby77094 you can say that… or perhaps risk one side and alternative options on the other side. #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: @OTtwehytweets @BoothRach @Helen_otuk it’s key to learning and understanding of self in therapy 😉 #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@BoothRach thank u 🙂 it would be great to view it 2gain insight into your setting & I could possibly compare 2settings I have been in#otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@GillyGorry gosh yes, frequently. #otalk (and I don’t always tell the truth about it after!!) |
| Dai2584 |
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Talk to client (possible relevant others), agree plan and the risk. Get on with it. Simples? #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@GillyGorry definitely! I’m still exercise and still waiting for ankle MRI results. engagement in adapted occ enhancing Wellbeing. #otalk |
| Nnikki_Duffy |
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@BoothRach can go pear shaped. However these moments will shape your contingency plans in the future. #OTalk |
| BoothRach |
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@Nnikki_Duffy @missblossomdot agree, think reflection is important not just fast action like take away the leave, #Otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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If anyone has a blog post to share let me know and I will link to it on the summary. Also happy to host guest post if you prefer. #OTALK |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@Helen_otuk Take-away thoughts – risk is part of life; risk enablement is part of helping people live their lives as fully as poss #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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My take home point- the better we know our clients, the better we can evaluate the level of risks they are taking. #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @BillWongOT: My take home point- the better we know our clients, the better we can evaluate the level of risks they are taking. #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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@GillyGorry my whole life has been against the advice of others. It led me to OT… #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @BoothRach: I also think risk asses,net should be. Team thing not a individual thing, people see things you have missed #Otalk @overwork… |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@OTtwehytweets I’m also interested #OTalk |
| _beckyOT |
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Life would have no meaning without risk #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @Nnikki_Duffy: @BoothRach can go pear shaped. However these moments will shape your contingency plans in the future. #OTalk |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee it depends on meaningfulness of original occupation and likelihood lead to same situation that triggered cannabis #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@BoothRach @overworkedOTA yes… or in other words, is the potential reward justifying the risk our clients take? #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @_beckyOT: Life would have no meaning without risk #otalk |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Many thanks to all those who have joined in tonights #otalk next weeks #occhat is a teaparty event general network and chit chat about ocsci |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @BillWongOT: @BoothRach @overworkedOTA yes… or in other words, is the potential reward justifying the risk our clients take? #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee taking the first time, not a reason not to do but would need to talk through alternative strategies etc #otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@_beckyOT #otalk absolutely. |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Many thanks to tonights fantastic host @Helen_otuk #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Maintain client narrative and meaning of occ and adapt the risk to ensure client centred vision of practice. Negotiate with client! #otalk |
| danbrunetti |
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#otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| _beckyOT |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: Many thanks to all those who have joined in tonights #otalk next weeks #occhat is a teaparty event general network and ch… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @_beckyOT: Life would have no meaning without risk #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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“@danbrunetti: @GillyGorry my whole life has been against the advice of others. It led me to OT… #otalk” wonderful |
| BillWongOT |
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@danbrunetti @GillyGorry yes, one notable risk I took against my parents’ advice- disclosing my dx to my OT peers. #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: Many thanks to all those who have joined in tonights #otalk next weeks #occhat is a teaparty event general network and ch… |
| BoothRach |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: Many thanks to tonights fantastic host @Helen_otuk #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| kirstyes |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| BillWongOT |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| Helen_otuk |
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Such a busy chat, thank you everyone. I am sure I missed some tweets so look forward to doing the summary tomorrow. #OTalk |
| BoothRach |
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RT @_beckyOT: Life would have no meaning without risk #otalk |
| GillyGorry |
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@kirstyes @danbrunetti excellent 🙂 #otalk |
| kirstyes |
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Cheers @Helen_otuk @GillyGorry and all for #otalk. See you next week. |
| BillWongOT |
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@danbrunetti or sometimes the clients’ too. #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @danbrunetti: @GillyGorry my whole life has been against the advice of others. It led me to OT… #otalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @danbrunetti: @GillyGorry my whole life has been against the advice of others. It led me to OT… #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| danbrunetti |
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@BillWongOT of course! #otalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life in some cases, it maybe also reminding the client of the big picture. #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Thanks for the wisdom OTs I’ve learnt an incredible amount! @BoothRach you rock #otalk |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@GillyGorry I needed to take risks to recover from chronic fatigue – a lifestyle redesign later and I’ve never been better #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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RT @Helen_otuk: Such a busy chat, thank you everyone. I am sure I missed some tweets so look forward to doing the summary tomorrow. #OTalk |
| _beckyOT |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| _beckyOT |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| Helen_otuk |
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Thank you to @Gillygorry for keeping us on track. You are an #OTalk star! Looking forward to next weeks #Occhat. |
| Dai2584 |
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@Helen_otuk #otalk well done. No pressure for me then 
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| OgundeleKaycee |
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Take home thought- Risk is risky but it is unavoidable #OTalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @BoothRach agreed! #otalk |
| _beckyOT |
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RT @OgundeleKaycee: Take home thought- Risk is risky but it is unavoidable #OTalk |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @OgundeleKaycee: Take home thought- Risk is risky but it is unavoidable #OTalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Thank u @Helen_otuk & @GillyGorry for another great #OTalk. Learning so much as a student from hearing & sharing in stories from other OTs |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach @OTtwehytweets @Helen_otuk that’s ok 🙂 I need revision :). Many thanks! #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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Did you see this @overworkedOTA?“@Symbolic_Life: Thanks for the wisdom OTs I’ve learnt an incredible amount! @BoothRach you rock #otalk” |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@danbrunetti Nice one #OTalk |
| danbrunetti |
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@Rhizomatic1 thanks for the prod on the #otalk fruitful hour |
| missblossomdot |
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RT @Helen_otuk: for me risk management is art of risk enablement…… but not the whole thing. #OTalk we have to manage risk but we should… |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BoothRach I learnt what I learn from the best 😉 #otalk |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Thank u also too @Symbolic_Life @BoothRach @kirstyes for some great insight & perspective. I just love #OTalk #learning |
| Helen_otuk |
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I have to go now, but please keep adding your thoughts. I will do summary in 24hrs. Thanks #OTalk |
| eileenhegarty7 |
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@Helen_otuk @GillyGorry Thanks for hosting another thought-provoking #otalk. Night all |
| Nnikki_Duffy |
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Only caught the last 15mins, but it’s been great as always, I will look forward to catching up on the rest of the chat later thank u #Otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Must learn to wear glasses when #otalk then won’t be cross eyed attempting to see the screen! |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@kirstyes I think the advice of others has led you to a good occupation. #OTalk |
| missblossomdot |
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RT @BoothRach: @Nnikki_Duffy @missblossomdot agree, think reflection is important not just fast action like take away the leave, #Otalk |
| kirstyes |
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Forgot to ask about teaching risk but I have got some ideas from what was discussed anyway #otalk |
| CureMD_EMR |
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@_beckyOT Ummm you are right but since we never know about how intense they are, meaning of life is quite dangerous #OTalk |
| CureMD_EMR |
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@OTalk_Occhat Really like the next week’s topic 🙂 #OTalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@kirstyes thank you!! #otalk |
| CureMD_EMR |
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@BoothRach @overworkedOTA I agree with the “team part” #OTalk |
| BillWongOT |
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@missblossomdot @BoothRach @Nnikki_Duffy good ideas! #otalk |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Thanks @GillyGorry and @Helen_otuk for a great chat! Learnt loads! Promising to reflect :)). #otalk |
| BoothRach |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: Many thanks to all those who have joined in tonights #otalk next weeks #occhat is a teaparty event general network and ch… |
| CureMD_EMR |
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@Dai2584 can you share the link if it’s online? #OTalk |
| Dai2584 |
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really enjoyed the last couple of #otalk lately. love being an Occupational Therapist, best job in the world |
| jennyot92 |
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RT @OgundeleKaycee: Take home thought- Risk is risky but it is unavoidable #OTalk |
| CureMD_EMR |
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@kirstyes what can be the teaching risks? any idea if you like to share? #Otalk |
| OgundeleKaycee |
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@kirstyes Really Appreciate you for the replies and all #OTalk |
| CureMD_EMR |
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@OgundeleKaycee @kirstyes mostly it happens with the influence of peers and close relatives #Otalk |
| Dai2584 |
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@CureMD_EMR http://t.co/8e7R9Lxu3a Heres the book #otalk |
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RT @danbrunetti: #otalk take home point: think outside the box, sometimes outside your comfort zone. |
| kirstyes |
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@CureMD_EMR I am an OT educator, was thinking about how we teach OT students about risk management/enablement.For one read #otalk transcript |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee 2/2 still students when we started. Topics we come up with or we get from the #otalk community.Starting a journal club soon |
| kirstyes |
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@OgundeleKaycee No, we can host the blog post on the #otalk post. Check out the link in the bio of @OTalk_Occhat -just need Twitter on day. |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Which of our followers are OT Students? @OgundeleKaycee would like to connect with you.Also any African OTs?Hope to host #otalk OT in Africa |
| family_success |
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RT @gutlesskayaking: #otalk got to go, check out OT on the water at http://t.co/IyPh87l97T raising funds for bowel cancer research |
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RT @_beckyOT: Life would have no meaning without risk #otalk |
| gutlesskayaking |
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@kirstyes not specifically on risk, but http://t.co/IyPh87l97T, Facebook and twitter will be updated regularly with event details #otalk |
| elaineahpmh |
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@BAOTCOT I agree & one of my messages in Casson #cot2013 – we are lucky to have the support of #OTalk colleagues too @claireot @Helen_otuk |
| elaineahpmh |
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@claireOT @baotcot @helen_otuk you are very welcome – I think what you have all done with #OTalk is great |
| claireOT |
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@elaineahpmh thank you! #otalk is a team effort, @kirstyes @GillyGorry @clissa89 and @Helen_otuk are all invaluable! @BAOTCOT |
#OTalk 23rd July 2013 – Risk Enablement.
Risk Enablement in Practice – Follow Up
Date: 23/07/2013 Host: @Helen_OTUK
Blog Post – Transcript – Post Chat Summary
#Occhat 16th July 2013 Occupation or Function: Debate. Transcript.
What a lively and stimulating debate. Thanks Occhaters. Please feel free to add thoughts to the comments.
The discussion was sparked by this Powers Dirette, Diane Ph.D., OTL (2013) “Letter from the Editor: Let’s Talk about Function,”The Open Journal of Occupational Therapy: Vol. 1: Iss. 3, Article 1. Available at: http://scholarworks.wmich.edu/ojot/vol1/iss3/1
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Evening all, ready to #occhat and debate language. Shall we start like a debate. Hands up function/ Hands up occupation.Will review at end. |
| BillWongOT |
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hello everyone! 🙂 #occhat |
| francescaabrown |
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@OTtwehytweets no worries, glad it worked! Hoping to join in #occhat #otalk inbetween study! |
| kirstyes |
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@OTalk_Occhat Occupation for me at the start (get me replying to myself) #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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Occupation! Hello – my first #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@OTalk_Occhat Hands up occupaiton! 🙂 Hello everyone! #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat I will go with function. #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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“@Bethanhc: Occupation! Hello – my first #occhat” welcome Bethan. |
| Maria_Markland |
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@Bethanhc Hello! 🙂 Hope you enjoy it #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@OTalk_Occhat occupation #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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#occhat if I must choose between occupation and function (only options) then I would go with OCCUPATION. |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat in order to do that, my OT sessions touched on resume, CV, cover letter, job interview skills, etc. #occhat 2/2 |
| Bethanhc |
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Function is inadequate. PTs and others concentrate on function. Function – utilitarian. Occupation includes meaning. #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk #occhat I think using the word occupation, then explaining it. |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Bethanhc: Function is inadequate. PTs and others concentrate on function. Function – utilitarian. Occupation includes meaning. #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Occupation is the meaning to function. Function a component of action? Would we be selling ourselves short? #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Maria_Markland: @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk #occhat I think using the word occupation, then explaining it. |
| francescaabrown |
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@OTalk_Occhat hmm I say occupation, but non-ot folk seem to understand function better- not all, but a lot #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Bethanhc totally agree occupation = meaning and purpose #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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@DebLants hi Debbie, it is #occhat this evening. Discussion on language, occupation v function. http://t.co/oIxpKdhm8A |
| Symbolic_Life |
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I also think function is a component of occupation. Not a wholesome term. Occ is complex! (Creek,2003) #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@robbrooks_uk thanks for joining in, care to share why? #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Maria_Markland @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk Whichever one used, probably needs more explanation #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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Occupation includes function – occupational performance and engagement. #occhat |
| francescaabrown |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: I also think function is a component of occupation. Not a wholesome term. Occ is complex! (Creek,2003) #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@robbrooks_uk @Bethanhc Nice to see we are on the same page 🙂 #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life good question. I think sometimes we unconsciously do it when we try to explain what we do. #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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@BillWongOT are they intermediate goals to achieve your LTG which is more occupation focussed? #Occhat |
| DebLants |
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#occhat Hi Everyone! (I always hashtag the wrong thing!) |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Bethanhc: Occupation includes function – occupational performance and engagement. #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@BillWongOT I agree. We are however, experts of the term occupation I usually explain it with roles / survival / meaning. It depends #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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Yes, I feel it is limiting. MT @TherapistOT: #occhat Function tends to loose the transaction & locates a problem in the person |
| Bethanhc |
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Function typically based on medical model ideals, enabling people to perform to a “normal” standard. #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Symbolic_Life By simplifying our language too much are we simplifying our role also? Does that follow through to our actions? #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@OTalk_Occhat function implies a set way of doing something while occupation implies unique and meaningful #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@DebLants we like to keep everyone on their toes #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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Good Q RT @Symbolic_Life Occupation is the meaning to function. Function a component of action? Would we be selling ourselves short? #occhat |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life #occhat I agree with function being a compotent of occupation: |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Helen_otuk: Yes, I feel it is limiting. MT @TherapistOT: #occhat Function tends to loose the transaction & locates a problem in the per… |
| TherapistOT |
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#occhat Body Function is a component part of ICF but I chime more with participation |
| BillWongOT |
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@Helen_otuk some of them yes. some of them no. #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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solutions? RT @francescaabrown: hmm I say occupation, but non-ot folk seem to understand function better- not all, but a lot #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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RT @robbrooks_uk: @OTalk_Occhat function implies a set way of doing something while occupation implies unique and meaningful #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @OTsinlondon: @Maria_Markland @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk Whichever one used, probably needs more explanation #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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@Helen_otuk @TherapistOT Very good point, would this limit focus on personal factors and not environmental/occupational ones #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@OTsinlondon Possibly. is OTs in the medical setting focusing on occupation or function? Service standard impact on our philosophy? #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @robbrooks_uk: @OTalk_Occhat function implies a set way of doing something while occupation implies unique and meaningful #occhat |
| Sibellgul |
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When I carry my assessments,clients state how they cannot carry out their occupation/s and affect them not functional disability #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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Function- helpful for health literacy but could alienate those with affirmative disability orientation who don’t want to be “fixed” #occhat |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life #occhat Ironing now thats an occupation with meaning 4 me I can function i.e. I can do it but the meaning etc is much more |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Maria_Markland Usually use occupation as follow on from OT as even a lot people coming to see us not sure what it is or all about #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @OTsinlondon I also think that perhaps they maybe influenced by the educators they had when they were students. #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@Helen_otuk @francescaabrown We can explain occupation. If they have different meanings it may be even more important to explain #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @robbrooks_uk: @OTalk_Occhat function implies a set way of doing something while occupation implies unique and meaningful #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @Dai2584: @Symbolic_Life #occhat I agree with function being a compotent of occupation: |
| Dai2584 |
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@Symbolic_Life #occhat well said |
| Sibellgul |
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During my assessments,clients state how they cannot carry out their occupation/s and how it affects them not functional disability #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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@Dai2584 @Symbolic_Life Do you want to do mine then ;o) #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@Symbolic_Life I think you are right – about where OT is. Function is too medical – I want to engage in life, not just function. #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Maria_Markland Then from Occupation down to function and/or activities we need/ want to do in life and how to do them better. #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @TherapistOT: #occhat Body Function is a component part of ICF but I chime more with participation |
| DebLants |
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@robbrooks_uk @OTalk_Occhat #occhat I think occupation also implies the idea of an outcome to action/behaviour, rather than simply ableness |
| Dai2584 |
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@kirstyes Im honestly fantastic at it. 6 years in the army lol #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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and mine? RT @kirstyes: @Dai2584 @Symbolic_Life Do you want to do mine then ;o) #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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should a client function in the kitchen or participate in kitchen occupations? #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@BillWongOT Roll on occupation-focused educators then! What about occupation-focused service users? #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@robbrooks_uk depends on the meaning to them? Do they want to function there? #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Symbolic_Life medical setting focused on function for sure, often no time to squeeze in occupation! #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@robbrooks_uk I would say participate or engage in kitchen occupations. #occhat |
| GillyGorry |
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RT @Helen_otuk: #occhat if I must choose between occupation and function (only options) then I would go with OCCUPATION. |
| GillyGorry |
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@Helen_otuk me too.. We are not functional therapists..#occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@OTsinlondon are we then role blurring? if you provide occ focus from the start surely this would support valued outcomes! #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@BillWongOT Yes, perhaps it is the meaning behind the language that should be the focus #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Bethanhc for OT folks who are also service users, they can be great examples for this! #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@GillyGorry @Helen_otuk no because then we would be a physio! #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Symbolic_Life Is function the ability to make tea while occupation is making tea within a context eg for friends #occhat |
| DebLants |
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@GillyGorry @Helen_otuk #occhat I would like to think that we are a lot more practical |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland or sometimes is finding the right translation for that word. #occhat blessing and curse of being multi-lingual. |
| Maria_Markland |
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@GillyGorry @Helen_otuk Ha ha! That made me giggle! 🙂 Good point! #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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As @michael_iwama advocates its about placing the explanation and experience of occupation in a culturally sensitive context! #occhat |
| lilyleopard |
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#occhat perhaps our opportunity to explain provides a deeper understanding. |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @robbrooks_uk good question. I agree with Michelle there, it depends on the person and occupational roles. #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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2/2 the same as we would #occhat – function in toileting – eliminating bowel/bladder versus using toilet and managing self care around this. |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@robbrooks_uk exactly ;), multi dimensional occupations! #dorisPierce #TherapeuticPower! #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@BillWongOT Great skill though! Impressive! #occhat |
| GillyGorry |
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RT @TherapistOT: #occhat ENOTHE tuning definition: Function:The underlying physical and psychological components that support occupational … |
| GillyGorry |
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RT @TherapistOT: #occhat The capacity to use occupational performance components to carry out a task, activity or occupation.2/3 |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @robbrooks_uk for an autistic person (assuming with no other issues) who is a chef, functioning in kitchen is key! #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@kirstyes Function in ADL a very American term, perhaps they need function to meet insurance payment requirements? #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @DebLants: @robbrooks_uk @OTalk_Occhat #occhat I think occupation also implies the idea of an outcome to action/behaviour, rather than s… |
| Helen_otuk |
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good point RT @robbrooks_uk:Function in ADL a very American term, perhaps they need function to meet insurance payment requirements? #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@kirstyes I Agree. This will pose role blurring taking the concept of occupation away! #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@kirstyes @BillWongOT Agree with plain language but function is not the right word. “Activity” would be better than function. #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @robbrooks_uk: @kirstyes Function in ADL a very American term, perhaps they need function to meet insurance payment requirements? #occhat |
| DebLants |
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#occhat I feel that the underlying function is important for us to work on and develop into practical occupations |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Bethanhc @kirstyes @BillWongOT activity is another component of occupation… #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland in my neck of the woods, including my new workplace, can be a good survival skill. #occhat |
| lilyleopard |
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#occhat function = everthing is an event…. |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Symbolic_Life Occ focus supports steps to occ outcomes but setting and medical focus can impact level of involvement #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Bethanhc Activity vs. occupation vs. function, the debate widens! #occhat |
| GillyGorry |
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@DebLants @helen_otuk we are practical in our approach to enable the performance (function) of occupation #occhat |
| TherapistOT |
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#occhat Help people make sense of our purpose?2/2 |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@OTsinlondon I completely agree! Essentially impacting our philosophy and purpose! #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @GillyGorry: @DebLants @helen_otuk we are practical in our approach to enable the performance (function) of occupation #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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Another point the article made was there is no clear def of occupation, but the same can be said of function #occhat – up to each to define |
| GillyGorry |
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@TherapistOT I think it helps to be clear on definitions which can be applied to contextual situations when explaining #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @kirstyes: Another point the article made was there is no clear def of occupation, but the same can be said of function #occhat – up to … |
| BillWongOT |
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RT @kirstyes: Another point the article made was there is no clear def of occupation, but the same can be said of function #occhat – up to … |
| kirstyes |
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@BillWongOT @Bethanhc But I think this is fine in terms of using language that others might understand as needed butnot as key term #occhat |
| GillyGorry |
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@Maria_Markland I believe in a professional language.. But we need to ensure accessible #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@robbrooks_uk (& others!) Agree activity adds to the complexity and part of occupation but surely better than function? #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Helen_otuk @BillWongOT is that culturally practical? #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@GillyGorry @TherapistOT we just said the same thing. ;). #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@robbrooks_uk @Bethanhc The language is the problem, we may know what we mean but other profs and patients need explanation #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk well… it has to do with the meaning I am trying to convey. #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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@Symbolic_Life Definitely #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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Agree with @kirstyes both about definitions and that function suggests expected, measured norms of performance #occhat |
| Catythered |
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#occhat sorry im late. looks like good debate – whats the issue? |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Maria_Markland @kirstyes hopefully ;). A missing research OTs / clients perceptions on practice! #occhat |
| DebLants |
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#occhat Because Occupational Therapy can be cover a broad area of work places can it mean that the explanation of it varies too? |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@Catythered should we switch occupation to function in terms of language used? #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @Helen_otuk u will get what I mean when I do the translated versions of upcoming OT24VX presentation w/ @GillyGorry #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Bethanhc I prefer activity to function. Activity is a generic way of doing something, function is part of the activity. #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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This would be a RAD research…..! #thinks #notimerightnow #stompsfeet #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@kirstyes Exactly! Also, language that needs explanation sometimes creates a form of respect from the public because of this #occhat |
| TherapistOT |
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@DebLants #occhat yes & sometimes we let this happen perhaps because we think occupation is low status? |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@robbrooks_uk or maybe task is part of the activity, aghh! #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Helen_otuk Yes, though we have to try to avoid to “lose things in translation” when speaking another language. #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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@Helen_otuk I think we should use our language alongside explanation – that way people will hopefully start to speak our lang too #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @TherapistOT: @DebLants #occhat yes & sometimes we let this happen perhaps because we think occupation is low status? |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @BillWongOT: @Helen_otuk Yes, though we have to try to avoid to “lose things in translation” when speaking another language. #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@Symbolic_Life several studies out there about disabled peoples ideas about OT – hating function and obsession with self care! #occhat |
| BAOTNYRegion |
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#personalitydisorder any questions about personality disorder for the professor? #ot #Ottawa #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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@TherapistOT @DebLants Yes, be proud of occupation! 🙂 #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Language is imperative to our profession and the therapeutic focus of occupation!!! We will lose the role! #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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@DebLants I think previous debates have suggested your proposal to be true. #occhat But underlying philosophy and lang remains the same |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Bethanhc where? I need this for my dissertation? May I ask for some direction? 🙂 thank you! #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@kirstyes @Helen_otuk There certainly seems to be a growing awareness of OT in recent years, so hopefully understanding will come too#occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@GillyGorry @TherapistOT indeed 😉 #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@Symbolic_Life Check Disability and Rehabilitation journal, Abberley article most famous. #occhat |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Symbolic_Life We have to keep am occupation-focus to generate change in the way others think about us #occhat |
| Catythered |
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#occhat we adapt our language according to the audience – just as others do. e.g auditory hallucinations vs hearing voices |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@Bethanhc excellent! Thanks so much really appreciate it! Fingers crossed I have access #occhat |
| ottawa_rt |
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RT @BAOTNYRegion: #personalitydisorder any questions about personality disorder for the professor? #ot #Ottawa #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@robbrooks_uk valued outcomes! Not service outcome! #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Catythered: #occhat we adapt our language according to the audience – just as others do. e.g auditory hallucinations vs hearing voices |
| BillWongOT |
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@robbrooks_uk @Symbolic_Life yes, we can be consistent in principle, just have to adjust according to culture. #occhat |
| DebLants |
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@Symbolic_Life @TherapistOT #occhat true, but I feel that this is possible since occupations are what affect our day to day lives |
| kirstyes |
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@OTsinlondon @Helen_otuk Hopefully. That flybe article def showed our understanding of occupation. #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@TherapistOT Trouble is ICF is medically based. Function – impairment not the occupation (participation) – another debate though! #occhat |
| TherapistOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @DebLants #occhat different & are not clear about it or who their client is 2/2 |
| DebLants |
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@OTsinlondon @TherapistOT #occhat I believe a large amount of others do believe it to be a lower status therapy but we know different 🙂 |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @BillWongOT: @robbrooks_uk @Symbolic_Life yes, we can be consistent in principle, just have to adjust according to culture. #occhat |
| fiakkas |
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#occhat our ability to do is not solely dependant on our ability to function. As OTs we are concerned with enabling ppl to do. |
| fiakkas |
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#occhat Occupation includes everything within & without. |
| TherapistOT |
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@Bethanhc #occhat absolutely activity+participation is almost (but not quite) occupation 🙂 |
| OTsinlondon |
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@kirstyes @Helen_otuk Maybe the lady was an OT! 😉 #Occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@GillyGorry Exactly! I am in the same tin! #Occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@aimee_harper thanks Aimee. We need to have more confidence and own our language. #occhat |
| fiakkas |
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RT @TherapistOT: #occhat Occupational performance:choosing, organising & carrying out occupations/activities/tasks in interaction with envi… |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Symbolic_Life Enable occupation not enable function #occhat |
| fiakkas |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: Language is imperative to our profession and the therapeutic focus of occupation!!! We will lose the role! #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@kirstyes @OTsinlondon @Helen_otuk the what article? #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @fiakkas: #occhat our ability to do is not solely dependant on our ability to function. As OTs we are concerned with enabling ppl to do. |
| BillWongOT |
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@Symbolic_Life @GillyGorry yes, I love the word enabling! Another reason y I like how Taiwanese people call occupational therapists. #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @fiakkas: #occhat our ability to do is not solely dependant on our ability to function. As OTs we are concerned with enabling ppl to do. |
| Maria_Markland |
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@DebLants @OTsinlondon @TherapistOT #occhat Yes! 🙂 And I think using the correct terminology reflects our view on OT not being low status |
| kirstyes |
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RT @fiakkas: #occhat our ability to do is not solely dependant on our ability to function. As OTs we are concerned with enabling ppl to do. |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat @aimee_harper On top of that, we also have to own our languages in the languages we speak fluently! #occhat |
| GillyGorry |
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@Bethanhc I am feeling that I really need to get a tin… More OTs need to do this #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @robbrooks_uk: @Symbolic_Life Enable occupation not enable function #occhat |
| Catythered |
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#Occhat function is an output, but occupation is a process of depth |
| kirstyes |
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@OTsinlondon @Helen_otuk possibly – but I think I checked and she was something else. #Occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTalk_Occhat @aimee_harper the reason is- sometimes u may be only person on a team who can speak the language that clients speak. #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@GillyGorry @BillWongOT @Helen_otuk haha! ;). Breakfast buddies Helen! #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @fiakkas: #occhat our ability to do is not solely dependant on our ability to function. As OTs we are concerned with enabling ppl to do. |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @Catythered: #Occhat function is an output, but occupation is a process of depth |
| Bethanhc |
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Occupation also is about engagement – not necessarily active doing. Function is much more unidimensional. #Occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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@GillyGorry @Bethanhc I want a TIN! #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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RT @Bethanhc: Occupation also is about engagement – not necessarily active doing. Function is much more unidimensional. #Occhat |
| DebLants |
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@TherapistOT @OTsinlondon #occhat Good point! I suppose not until something starts to affect their daily lives… |
| robbrooks_uk |
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@Catythered or function is an input that contributes to an occupation #occhat |
| TherapistOT |
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RT @fiakkas: #occhat our ability to do is not solely dependant on our ability to function. As OTs we are concerned with enabling ppl to do. |
| BillWongOT |
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@Bethanhc yes… we also have to be careful not to give lectures to our clients on what occupation is. #occhat |
| fiakkas |
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RT @Bethanhc: Occupation also is about engagement – not necessarily active doing. Function is much more unidimensional. #Occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Bethanhc if I were speaking Chinese, I would just break down what occupation implies in different parts. #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Bethanhc so instead of throwing the “occupation” word… I will say “occupation implies X, Y, Z (words in Chinese)”, for example. #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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ok 10 minutes left #occhat so what are your take away thoughts? |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@Bethanhc @TherapistOT Well we are looking at a series on models if you are interested in helping run an ICF one?? #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Helen_otuk: ok 10 minutes left #occhat so what are your take away thoughts? |
| kilner100 |
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@Helen_otuk sorry just been catching up…occupation always includes meaningfulness. Key to engagement, participation etc #occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Occupation is the bread and butter of OCCUPATIONAL Therapy. Function is a component of that. OCC science celebrates OCCUPATION #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Helen_otuk but sometimes the situations we are in will dictate how we will explain what occupation is. #occhat 2/2 |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Before people go, @Helen_otuk is kindly running #otalk next week too – a follow up to the risk talk. Bring anon case studies. #Occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Helen_otuk Important to use our terminology to show pride and value in profession but explanation key for others understanding #occhat |
| Bethanhc |
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@OTalk_Occhat Series on ICF: How to make myself unpopular in 1 easy step! I may be too disability focused and dislike it too much! #Occhat |
| Catythered |
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@Helen_otuk #Occhat to be confident in our occupational focus and advocate it without shame |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @Maria_Markland: @Helen_otuk #occhat Language reflects meaning. Meaning is in the roots of our profession, be proud, use it! Explain don… |
| BillWongOT |
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RT @Maria_Markland: @Helen_otuk #occhat Language reflects meaning. Meaning is in the roots of our profession, be proud, use it! Explain don… |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland @Helen_otuk love it! #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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Just wondering, how much does anyone use OT terminology in written communication for patients, eg reports, goal plans etc? #occhat |
| DebLants |
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#occhat Occupation, engagement, activity, meaning, purpose. Improving quality of life not just functionality 🙂 |
| TherapistOT |
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@Helen_otuk #occhat we need to be clear with the people we work for & with what we are doing & why 1/2 |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland @Helen_otuk if you speak another language, try to practice it with your friends or family first. #occhat |
| Maria_Markland |
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RT @DebLants: #occhat Occupation, engagement, activity, meaning, purpose. Improving quality of life not just functionality 🙂 |
| TherapistOT |
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@Helen_otuk #Occhat & this means explaining & using the right language for the person we are talking to :)2/2 |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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@OTsinlondon good question. #Occhat |
| Catythered |
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#occhat difference in therapeutic philosophy between UK and USA? OTUK united |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @Maria_Markland: @Helen_otuk #occhat Work on our understanding of occupational terminology and our explanation. Less blame on public for… |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland @Helen_otuk I say that because it can be nerve wrecking if you have to explain in another language under the gun. #occhat |
| kilner100 |
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RT @DebLants: #occhat Occupation, engagement, activity, meaning, purpose. Improving quality of life not just functionality 🙂 agreed! #OT |
| Symbolic_Life |
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RT @Catythered: #occhat difference in therapeutic philosophy between UK and USA? OTUK united |
| BillWongOT |
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@Catythered I am a little bit biased because I speak multiple languages. #occhat |
| RobWebster_LCH |
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@Maria_Markland @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk #occhat – agree. OTs do amazing work every day and deserve more credit. Language may help? |
| fiakkas |
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RT @DebLants: #occhat Occupation, engagement, activity, meaning, purpose. Improving quality of life not just functionality 🙂 |
| BillWongOT |
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@Catythered and also… the Brits easily dominated the Americans in this chat. 😉 #occhat |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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RT @RobWebster_LCH: @Maria_Markland @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk #occhat – agree. OTs do amazing work every day and deserve more credit. Langu… |
| Helen_otuk |
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Thanks everyone for a great #occhat keep chatting, will not post to the bog for 24hrs so plenty of time to add your thoughts. |
| OTalk_Occhat |
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Huge thanks to @Helen_otuk for hosting and to all for joining in.I have to run now. We will grab chat after sometime after 24 hours. #Occhat |
| Symbolic_Life |
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Thanks #occhat for taking my mind off my sickness bug! Occupation enhancing Wellbeing ;). |
| OTsinlondon |
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@Maria_Markland @Helen_otuk And maybe convince Occupational Health to change their name! ;-p #occhat |
| DebLants |
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#occhat Thanks again everyone! Loving the usefulness of social media 🙂 |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland @Helen_otuk on top of that, I now have some practice when I see my new psychologist every 3 months w/ Mandarin. #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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I have to pop off for a few mins, do keep chatting I will be back soon. #Occhat |
| miguelroru |
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Genial el #occhat de esta noche donde se discuten la importancia de la ocupacion mas alla de la funcion como objetivo en nuestros procesos. |
| miguelroru |
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Genial el #occhat de esta noche donde se discute la importancia de la ocupacion mas alla de la funcion como objetivo en nuestros procesos. |
| Maria_Markland |
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@RobWebster_LCH @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk Yes, language + explanation may foster understanding and increase awareness of core of OT! #occhat |
| kirstyes |
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@Bethanhc So did you enjoy your first #occhat? Great contributions. |
| Maria_Markland |
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@OTsinlondon @Helen_otuk Ha ha!! 🙂 Yes! #Occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Maria_Markland @RobWebster_LCH @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk otherwise, we are making things worse instead of better. #occhat |
| fiakkas |
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RT @TherapistOT: @Helen_otuk #occhat we need to be clear with the people we work for & with what we are doing & why 1/2 |
| fiakkas |
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RT @TherapistOT: @Helen_otuk #Occhat & this means explaining & using the right language for the person we are talking to :)2/2 |
| sabina_TOPSM |
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RT @miguelroru: Genial el #occhat de esta noche donde se discute la importancia de la ocupacion mas alla de la funcion como objetivo en nu… |
| sabina_TOPSM |
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RT @DebLants: #occhat Occupation, engagement, activity, meaning, purpose. Improving quality of life not just functionality 🙂 |
| sabina_TOPSM |
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RT @OTalk_Occhat: Who is joining us on this sunny #OTuesday for #occhat 8pm (UK). Debating Occupation v Function. http://t.co/PrvKWiL8jB |
| gloriasunto |
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RT @TherapistOT: #occhat ENOTHE tuning definition: Function:The underlying physical and psychological components that support occupational … |
| gloriasunto |
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RT @TherapistOT: #occhat The capacity to use occupational performance components to carry out a task, activity or occupation.2/3 |
| Maria_Markland |
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@GillyGorry Yes, but drs, physios etc make their language accessible by explaining it but still using terminology,think we could too #occhat |
| Helen_otuk |
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RT @kirstyes: @Bethanhc So did you enjoy your first #occhat? Great contributions. |
| BillWongOT |
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@francescaabrown @Maria_Markland @Helen_otuk I think it will over time. Just got to practice it with people around you. #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@francescaabrown from my experience, if you are confident in one language, then you can know of how to phrase things in another. #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@francescaabrown so for me, I have developed some confidence to explain in English, now I have some idea for Cantonese & Mandarin. #occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Just catching up on #occhat tonight & agree with tweets regarding our profession as occupation focused in which function is enabled #Occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Occupation & function are defined differently for each of our unique clients. It is up to us as professionals to define #occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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I believe the term function can pose problematic in certain cases as it can focus on problem areas rather that clients strengths #occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@BillWongOT I totally agree “whenever and WHEREVER possible” we need to focus on occupational strengths #Occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets and I also think that we need to utilize their strengths to maximize their occupational performance. #occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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The level of “occupational” input from our clients enables a level of “functional” ability that they would be satisfied with #Occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Focusing on function as OTs puts a severe amount of pressure on us Occupation is in our title so it should b our main focus&priority #Occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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RT @Maria_Markland: @Helen_otuk #occhat Work on our understanding of occupational terminology and our explanation. Less blame on public for… |
| OTtwehytweets |
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RT @Maria_Markland: @Helen_otuk #occhat Language reflects meaning. Meaning is in the roots of our profession, be proud, use it! Explain don… |
| gerbil10 |
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Sorry to miss #occhat tonight but I thought I would suggest this article regarding being occupation focused. http://t.co/zIseAuEpfr |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Keeper85 yes most definitely what I meant was that it is up to us to define them based from our clients views/needs/wants #Occhat |
| Keeper85 |
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Gutted that I missed #occhat tonight! Seemed to be right down my ally |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Keeper85 I missed it too but you can still join in & tweet for another 24hours before the chat is grabbed #occhat |
| MARIACLAROSRASE |
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RT @miguelroru: Genial el #occhat de esta noche donde se discute la importancia de la ocupacion mas alla de la funcion como objetivo en nu… |
| BoothRach |
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Just catching up on #occhat #OTuesday #otgeek |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Got a bit creative using Instagram. Focusing on my opinion now as a student. Occupation is in our title!! #Occhat http://t.co/n4FjxrLX6N |
| OTtwehytweets |
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Not saying function is not important in our professional language but occupation will enable a level of function #occhat |
| PatriciaRegan |
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@Keeper85 Me too, seems most tweeters had same view re occupation, reassuring #Occhat |
| itsmefrarah |
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RT @DebLants: #occhat Occupation, engagement, activity, meaning, purpose. Improving quality of life not just functionality 🙂 |
| OTtwehytweets |
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RT @RobWebster_LCH: @Maria_Markland @OTalk_Occhat @Helen_otuk #occhat – agree. OTs do amazing work every day and deserve more credit. Langu… |
| Keeper85 |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: Occupation is the meaning to function. Function a component of action? Would we be selling ourselves short? #occhat |
| OTCoachUK |
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RT @Symbolic_Life: Occupation is the meaning to function. Function a component of action? Would we be selling ourselves short? #occhat |
| ChrisAlterio |
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LOL #occhat I could not possibly say what I wanted to say in 140 characters!!! |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Lorna_Faye @BillWongOT #1 I never mentioned the word “avoid” it is important to be aware of problems #occhat |
| OTtwehytweets |
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@Lorna_Faye @BillWongOT #2 but my experience focusing on clients strengths brings about more positive outcomes #occhat |
| EuroMasterOT |
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Check the new banner at http://t.co/0FWSI6iN48 from our #MasterOccupationalTherapy, #hva #occhat #occupationaltherapy #ergotherapie #wfot |
| BillWongOT |
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@Lorna_Faye @OTtwehytweets or I would say you got to take the good with the bad with a client. #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Lorna_Faye @OTtwehytweets I agree as a service user. One thing my OT recently addressed my interview skills. 1/2 #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Lorna_Faye @OTtwehytweets during that session, she addressed potential issues that might come up in my job interview. #occhat 2/2 |
| BillWongOT |
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@Lorna_Faye @OTtwehytweets the reason my OT addressed that was, for someone in OT, social communication sometimes can be a weakness. #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@Lorna_Faye @OTtwehytweets that said, my ability to be a quick learner helped… as the job interview turned out to be successful! #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets @Lorna_Faye but if you have only one session, you must deal with matter head on. #occhat |
| BillWongOT |
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@OTtwehytweets @Lorna_Faye for people w/ autism, sometimes they avoid social activities cuz of past struggles and/or sensory issues. #occhat |
| OTsinlondon |
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@BAOTCOT @OTalk_Occhat Occupation vs Function vs Activity Miffy explains OT? #Occhat #jargonbust http://t.co/zKlbj40tSW |
| otnotes |
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“@ChrisAlterio: LOL #occhat I could not possibly say what I wanted to say in 140 characters!!!” the problem of pith 😉 |
| jfaias |
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Every time I think of Occupation vs Function, I remember the work done by the ENOTHE terminology group, in which I was included 1/4 #Occhat |
| jfaias |
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The ENOTHE terminology group found, at The time, two definitions of Function. One more tangible, the other more invisible #Occhat |
| jfaias |
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Function 1: The underlying physical and psychological components that support occupational performance 2/4 #Occhat |
| jfaias |
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Function 2: The abilities to use Occupational performance components to carry out a task or activity #Occhat |
| jfaias |
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Considering both perspectives, I think Function is highly related with occupation and need to be addressed in our profession #Occhat |
| jfaias |
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Here goes link for the ENOTHE terminology work http://t.co/70EbJsrF7J #Occhat |
#OTalk on Professional Boundaries.
#OTalk on the 9th July 2013 will be exploring professional boundaries. Guest host Darren Gormley @MrDarrenGormley has written two thought provoking blogs for Tweeters to read before hand.
Uncovering the Mask of Professionalism http://darrengormley.blogspot.co.uk/2013/07/uncovering-mask-of-professionalism.html
How One Picture Can Be Worth a Thousand Words http://darrengormley.blogspot.co.uk/2013/04/how-one-picture-can-be-worth-thousand.html
Blog Post – Transcript – Post Chat Summary
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