#OTalk – The use of apps in Occupational Therapy Practice
Date: 11/12/2012 Host: @claireOT
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#OTalk – Continuing Professional Development: “Getting On Board”
#OTalk – Getting on Board with your Professional Body
Date: 24/11/2012 Host: @OTAshbert
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#OTalk – Continuing Professional Development: “Getting on Board”
Ashley Bilen will be hosting tonight’s #OTalk entitled “Getting on Board”. I was very interested to see her poster at COT2012 which displayed her knowledge and skills in the format of a tube map. Here it is: Getting_20on_20Board[1][1]
“At 2012 Conference, I presented a poster entitled ‘Getting on Board’, exploring the skills I’d developed through volunteering as student member of the Membership & External Affairs Board at COT. I was pleased to discover how many skills related to the professional requirements of the NHS Knowledge & Skills Framework.
There are many ways to become more involved with the world of OT, whether it’s through social media, being an active member of a group, a specialist section or writing an article, amongst other things.
Sometimes it’s easy to forget about the experience we have and the skills we’ve gained through doing everyday things, whether it’s through OT involvement or via other projects. I wanted to make people think about their unique skills and how they’re relevant to their professional development. ”
#OTalk – Psychological Approaches and Occupational Therapy (13 November 2012)
#OTalk – Psychological Approaches in Occupational Therapy
Date: 13/11/2012 Host: @GeekyOT
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#OTalk – Bread and Butter OT – Grabchat 16th October 2012
Please find below the grabchat from this talk – summary to follow.
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| @OTalk_Occhat | Tomorrow’s #OTalk is on Bread and Butter OT. What do you think it is? How should we spread ourselves. Hosted by @kirstyes (um me).(Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:57:16 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @OTalk_Occhat : Tomorrow’s #OTalk is on Bread and Butter OT. What do you think it is? How should we spread ourselves. Hosted by @kirstyes (um me).(Mon, 15 Oct 2012 19:57:45 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @allisulli and we will chat on #otalk tomorrow.(Mon, 15 Oct 2012 23:12:58 +0100) |
| @allisulli | RT @OTalk_Occhat : Tomorrow’s #OTalk is on Bread and Butter OT. What do you think it is? How should we spread ourselves. Hosted by @kirstyes (um me).(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:09:40 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @OTalk_Occhat @kirstyes perfect timing for this talk. I am spread so thin right now, I’m practically see-through. #otalk abt it laterz:)(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 13:37:21 +0100) |
| @BAOTCOT | Tonight’s #OTalk is on bread and butter OT – follow @OTalk_Occhat for more details, and look out a feature in Nov’s OTnews on #OTalk !(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 16:26:16 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @allisulli Look forward to #otalk ing with you later. Hope you are ok.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:13:00 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @BillWongOT sorry was continuing the bread and butter analogy. You wait there’s a picture to go with it later! #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:13:46 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 bread and butter OT, it’s going to be a debate based on a presentation I did at #COT2012 this year #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:26:38 +0100) |
| @OTalk_Occhat | Hi all for tonight’s #OTalk I’ll be tweeting from @kirstyes . Don’t forget if you want your comments to be included in summary that you 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:31:13 +0100) |
| @OTalk_Occhat | 2/2 #OTalk to have an unprotected account or ask me/let me follow you so I can see them. Thanks. @kirstyes (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:31:58 +0100) |
| @gcarinlevy | Tonight’s #OTalk is on bread and butter OT – i hope for once to be able to follow @OTalk_Occhat !(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:35:50 +0100) |
| @OTalk_Occhat | @gcarinlevy Please do and even join in we’d love to have you. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:42:34 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @northern4ever hi, looking to join in with #OTalk – great to have you on board.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 18:47:16 +0100) |
| @claireOT | @gillu3 @sarahahpmh don’t forget to add the #OTalk to your tweets so our community will see them x(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:21:21 +0100) |
| @claireOT | I’ve been a bit quiet today, hope to lurk if not participate in tonight’s #otalk – you coming? 30minutes yo go- tonight hosted by @kirstyes (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:33:40 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | For #OTalk for those who are interested you can find my notes here http://t.co/HOqipX95 to accompany my prezi here http://t.co/ACUSnKjh (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:41:35 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @BillWongOT Not ironic really – I heard similar discussions today. Hopefully that means we can pull together. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:50:41 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes or ingredients of a rich discussion. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:52:15 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes Perhaps I will dig up the handout I received from my small group discussion in my OTD class 2 weeks ago. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:59:15 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes I am digging it out to see if there are relevant questions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 19:59:31 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | Hi all at #OTalk please introduce yourself and the area of practice you work/worked/have been on placement/educate in etc(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:01:18 +0100) |
| @MissHeather6 | #OTalk excited for this weeks OTalk :)(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:01:42 +0100) |
| @MissHeather6 | #OTalk I am in my last year of Graduate School(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:02:18 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes I am currently an OTD student & awaiting for my licensing exam results in a couple days. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:04:13 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @BillWongOT What placements have you been on? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:05:31 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes Placements I have done? Mental Health, Pediatrics, and Outpatient Phys Dys/Hand therapy, acute care (phys dys) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:06:23 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | The second question is – What are the core #OT skills you use in this area? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:08:20 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | evening all #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:08:29 +0100) |
| @northern4ever | @kirstyes I’m Lesley Smith. I work both as an independent paediatric OT and manage an NHS MDT community therapy service #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:08:47 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MissHeather6 Hi Heather – what practice areas have you been in? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:09:21 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @Helen_otuk Hi Helen #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:09:39 +0100) |
| @stairliftscheme | RT @Helen_otuk : evening all #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:10:21 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes Mental health- building rapport, group facilitation, client-centered (sometimes family centered), motivational interviewing #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:11:05 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | Hi #otalk #occhat anyone know the name of the OT that developed the classification system for the paralympics?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:11:32 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MissHeather6 what were the OT core skills used in your level 1 placement? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:12:35 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes peds- sensory integration, handwriting, environmental modification, child/family centered interventions #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:12:37 +0100) |
| @claireOT | @sarahahpmh hi Sarah, @kirstyes and everyone! Don’t forget to add #otalk to your tweets or people could miss them! @gillu3 (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:13:55 +0100) |
| @gillu3 | @sarahahpmh #OTalk link in there(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:14:00 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes hand therapy- PAMs, rapport building (w/ clients), splinting, ROM & MMT testing #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:14:10 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MHOTJohnC http://t.co/cqLYjICr #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:14:22 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @claireOT : @sarahahpmh hi Sarah, @kirstyes and everyone! Don’t forget to add #otalk to your tweets or people could miss them! @gillu3 (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:15:13 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | When I first qualified this is what I thought bread and butter OT was:
Guess what area I worked in? #OTalk http://t.co/toKtRSeX (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:15:57 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes lol…. mmmm now let me think! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:16:42 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @Helen_otuk Ha!! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:17:37 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | I am in social care, so also had a narrow view, but this has expanded over the years. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:18:37 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | Let me put the question another way instead of what are the core skills, what is the ‘bread and butter’ OT in your setting? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:18:51 +0100) |
| @claireOT | I think the core skills I would call “bread and butter” are empathic listening, client centredness, activity analysis, use of Models, #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:19:12 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @claireOT agreed! I would also add specific interventions (such as SI, PAMs, etc.) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:21 +0100) |
| @gillu3 | @kirstyes #OTalk in forensic work we have 3 pillars, the hard to reach, rehab inc voc rehab and physical health and activity(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:57 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | For me, listening, understanding, assessment, activity analysis, task analysis, environmental adaptation. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:58 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @claireOT and some cases empathetic listening would apply when we listen to the caregivers rather than our clients #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:20:59 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @claireOT just mentioned activity analysis which is closer. What about occupation analysis? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:22:22 +0100) |
| @gillu3 | @kirstyes I’m confused. Are we talking basic skills or where we should focus our expertise #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:08 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @BillWongOT @claireot remind me what PAMs is Bill? Personally I would say these are adjunct skills (poss unique to OT maybe not) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:18 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @claireOT Is it equivalent to “functional analysis”? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:39 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @gillu3 the hard to reach? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:23:52 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @claireOT PAMs = physical agent modalities #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:01 +0100) |
| @allisulli | RT @BillWongOT : @claireOT agreed! I would also add specific interventions (such as SI, PAMs, etc.) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:18 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . ? @gillu3 : @kirstyes I’m confused. Are we talking basic skills or where we should focus our expertise #OTalk ? where we should focus(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:27 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @gillu3 I was thinking the things I do everyday? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:39 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @kirstyes I think when I answered the questions, I was thinking expertise. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:24:40 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @BillWongOT functional analysis I would suggest is similar to activity analysis. Occupation analysis is about understanding meaning #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:25:58 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @Helen_otuk @gillu3 but I think both are EQUALLY important. We need basic skills, but we also need specialized skills. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:11 +0100) |
| @gillu3 | @Helen_otuk #OTalk what we do every day might not be what we should be doing(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:54 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | I think of each of the things I do as mentioned before in the terms moving towards enabling occupational engagement. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:55 +0100) |
| @allisulli | #OTalk IMHO, Therapeutic Use of Self is the bread & butter of my practice. How can one be truly client centered & occupation-based w/o it?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:26:57 +0100) |
| @allisulli | RT @gillu3 : @kirstyes #OTalk in forensic work we have 3 pillars, the hard to reach, rehab inc voc rehab and physical health and activity(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:27:12 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes that makes sense, for certain settings, occupational analysis is just as important as functional analysis. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:27:28 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @Helen_otuk @gillu3 #otalk – this is what we often do is describe our role as what we do rather than by our bread and butter.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:27:39 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @Helen_otuk @gillu3 which we’ve discussed before is often easier when using case studies. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:02 +0100) |
| @stairliftscheme | RT @Helen_otuk : I think of each of the things I do as mentioned before in the terms moving towards enabling occupational engagement. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:13 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes I think lifestyle redesign focuses a lot on occupational analysis. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:17 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @Helen_otuk : I think of each of the things I do as mentioned before in the terms moving towards enabling occupational engagement. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:18 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @Helen_otuk Exactly – so why don’t we start there and then work back to the how? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:45 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | RT @allisulli : #OTalk IMHO, Therapeutic Use of Self is the bread & butter of my practice. How can one be truly client centered & occupation-based w/o it?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:51 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @gillu3 : @Helen_otuk #OTalk what we do every day might not be what we should be doing(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:28:57 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes I don’t know! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:29:23 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @allisulli agreed! I will also add family centered, too. Family centered is just as important as client centered. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:29:28 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 Sure, can I get this clear though, in terms of examples? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:29:43 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @BillWongOT : @kirstyes I think lifestyle redesign focuses a lot on occupational analysis. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:20 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk what do you mean by Rx? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:21 +0100) |
| @bobcollinsOT | Good evening all on #Otalk ! Quietly reading the debate around the ‘bread and butter’ of OT.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:51 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | My argument was that there is lots of good occupation based practice that isn’t always being done by OTs #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:30:58 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | There was some suggestion at an event today that as OTs we should be saying No to doing some things #OTalk what would you like to say no to?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:31:55 +0100) |
| @LeonoraOT | #OTalk half way in?I’m just looking in late, hi there 🙂 is on bread and butter OT MT @ OTalk_Occhat and look out a feature in Nov’s OTnews”(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:32:15 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes I agree. I have heard hand therapy is probably the worst, at least amongst my classmates’ opinion. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:33:05 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | OK let’s try and get this clear with an example. Mr A comes to you with carpel tunnel,what would occupation based practice look like? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:34:02 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk thanks… but I think how is also important in this day and age, especially with telehealth. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:34:15 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @bobcollinsOT evening #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:34:50 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes I thnk that depends on role, not all OT’s are doing ‘just’ OT some generic roles with use of OT focus / skills etc? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:35:07 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 sorry about that. Trying to clarify where people’s thoughts lie before we move on. Feel free to jump ahead though #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:35:46 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes that would depend on what occupations he wishes to return to / engage in. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:36:21 +0100) |
| @MissHeather6 | @kirstyes what occupations does he want 2 do. What is important 2him. This is y it is important to build a relationship with clients #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:36:59 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes what are his motivations and restrictions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:25 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk u misunderstood my intent. Say ur clinic is the only service available within 2+ hours drive from a client 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:25 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @Helen_otuk : @kirstyes that would depend on what occupations he wishes to return to / engage in. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:29 +0100) |
| @gillu3 | @kirstyes #OTalk . So what is the question now?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:37:55 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk would you ask him/her to do this drive every time, if the option of telehealth is available? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:38:04 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @sarahahpmh @helen_otuk @gillu3 I’m using bread and butter as a metaphor. Interesting to hear what people think their core skills are #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:38:55 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @claireOT another bread and butter OT skill is observation, being able to observe, play, ADLs, work for example #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:05 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk in where I live, that can be a possibility. A client can live 4-5 hour drive from an ideal service provider. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:10 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @sarahahpmh @helen_otuk @gillu3 did you mean if not ourselves? If so I think I agree. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:39:22 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk for adults w/ autism, I can say that can be a reality in regards to OT services goes. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:40:51 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @gillu3 #OTalk the next issue would be how do OTs embrace Occupational science to support developing more occupation based practice?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:40:59 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk One time I looked up possible services for a parent. The nearest OT/PT/speech clinic to her is 1-2 hours away. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:42:33 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @Helen_otuk major cities can benefit from wealth of services, but how about rural areas? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:42:55 +0100) |
| @OTalk_Occhat | RT @kirstyes : For #OTalk for those who are interested you can find my notes here http://t.co/HOqipX95 to accompany my prezi here http://t.co/ACUSnKjh (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:43:02 +0100) |
| @gillu3 | @kirstyes #OTalk occupation based services have never been more valued at political level(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:43:13 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @gillu3 That was the issue discussed a couple weeks ago in my class. #otalk 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:43:28 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @kirstyes first question, would be asking him how his CP has impacted on his daily life. The goals will determine occupation focused #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:09 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @gillu3 we talked about occupational scientists should make constant dialogue with OT’s to see if findings make sense. #otalk 2/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:12 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 so how do we capitalise on this because it seems to often be other professions/services that are? Is this a problem? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:15 +0100) |
| @MissHeather6 | @BillWongOT @gillu3 @helen_otuk telehealth is up and coming in the medical field. As OTs more people will be able to benefit from us #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:21 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @CharOTReilly do you think this always happens in practice now? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:44:52 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @gillu3 My classmates mentioned Erna Blanche as a great ex. of being a researcher who present findings that makes sense. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:06 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | #OTalk sorry probably too late, like the idea of bread and butter OT, suggest its anything with direct and honest contact with service users(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:13 +0100) |
| @allisulli | RT @DrWMB : #OTalk sorry probably too late, like the idea of bread and butter OT, suggest its anything with direct and honest contact with service users(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:48 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @Helen_otuk very true, do you think this is a concern or not? How do you replace like for like? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:48 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 I know a little bit, too. Tammy Richmond in my school is also a queen of it. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:45:52 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @allisulli sorry Alli, missed this. Yes I do think therapeutic use of self is very important. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:46:55 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @DrWMB I don’t think it’s ever too late to put direct and honest contact front and center with regard to client-centered care:) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:47:14 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @gillu3 as a future occupational scientist, my goal is to connect with OT’s so that I know I’m not researching rubbish. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:47:30 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @allisulli I forgot… how about creativity? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:11 +0100) |
| @northern4ever | @kirstyes I huge part of our role is empowerment. We no longer have capacity to carry out ongoing OT, 1/2 #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:11 +0100) |
| @allisulli | RT @kirstyes : . @allisulli sorry Alli, missed this. Yes I do think therapeutic use of self is very important. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:47 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes do not think it is a concern as such, but OT needs to be aware and ensure providing occupational expertise. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:48:48 +0100) |
| @northern4ever | @kirstyes We therefore need to teach & empower those working with children, to help them to develop their skills 2/2 #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:02 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | MT @DrWMB :like the idea of bread and butter OT, suggest its anything with direct and honest contact with service users #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:49:33 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @Helen_otuk @kirstyes I like it. It applies to many settings! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:25 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | #OTalk definitions of occupation tend to be so broad that having an occupational focus in practice becomes difficult to define clearly?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:31 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @Helen_otuk @DrWMB but I think certain instances that makes it difficult. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:50:53 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @kirstyes I am saying that because I will be more of a researcher than a practitioner. Gotta play to my strengths, right? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:51:48 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @BillWongOT @kirstyes I think #creativity is important for improvising, but not always essential. Reliable, authentic more important #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:52:14 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @kirstyes My classmates all see me being a researcher because my background coming into was statistics. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:52:22 +0100) |
| @allisulli | RT @DrWMB : #OTalk definitions of occupation tend to be so broad that having an occupational focus in practice becomes difficult to define clearly?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:52:34 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | @BillWongOT #OTalk yes, it is difficult but I was surprised in my years of practice how much time was spent not seeing service users(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:08 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 fully appreciate that some may not be happy to answer this, thanks for pointing out. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:29 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @kirstyes @allisulli it is part of the Art of OT Practice which is just as important as the science. (e.g. ref Peloquin). #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:31 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @DrWMB #Otalk this is a huge problem and we see in practice that it is often not possible to deliver this type of service.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:32 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @DrWMB does that show a need to define occupation within our role or field? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:33 +0100) |
| @bobcollinsOT | #otalk Direct and honest contact with people has to be the ‘bread and butter’. Person centred skills follow on but we need occ science…1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:53:50 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @allisulli @kirstyes true. I think having some can help in regards to developing family and client centered interventions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:03 +0100) |
| @MissHeather6 | @allisulli @billwongot I am glad 2 b learning from u bc I feel these are becoming important to me because you discuss them so much #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:32 +0100) |
| @bobcollinsOT | #otalk 2/2 to underpin a focus ultimately on participation in occupations.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:54:54 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @allisulli @BillWongOT @kirstyes i feel that creativity is essential because we need creativity to problem solve,esp with complex SU #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:11 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | @Helen_otuk #otalk maybe to be prepared to explain how you understand occupation. I used to find having different versions helpful(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:23 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 @billwongot occupational science can be clinically focused. Can be an OT and Occupational Scientist #OTalk 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:55:26 +0100) |
| @LeonoraOT | Yes, We always seem to need to imho RT? @Helen_otuk : @DrWMB does that show a need to define occupation within our role or field? #otalk ?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:56:02 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 @billwongot 2/2 but you don’t have to be an OT to be ab occupational scientist. Beauty of learning from others too. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:56:04 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @CharOTReilly @allisulli @billwongot you make a good point about creativity. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:56:52 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @gillu3 @kirstyes @allisulli OTs need to consider Art of Practice more. E.g The way I apply science is different with each client #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:57:23 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @gillu3 I do think OS can be clinically focused. Own practice exp. + networking w/ others can help expand horizons. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:57:27 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | RT @kirstyes : @gillu3 @billwongot occupational science can be clinically focused. Can be an OT and Occupational Scientist #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:57:51 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | @CharOTReilly @kirstyes #OTalk creativity is central to professional artistry. Tried to explain this in BJOT in paper on creek in 2010(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:13 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @gillu3 I have met someone who is doing her PhD in OS, and her background for masters was social work. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:23 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @DrWMB yes i agree, I find myself doing it often. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:25 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @sarahahpmh @gillu3 what do you think I mean by this Sarah? Not sure 140 chars enough Have you managed to look at my presentation. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:58:38 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @DrWMB @Helen_otuk I so agree… that way you can help others to understand what OT’s do better. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:30 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @LeonoraOT yes a recurring theme I feel… but good to educate and share. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:31 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @DrWMB @allisulli by finding out the #meaningfuloccupations and setting goals 2 ensure they can them we are occ focused #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:35 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | @BillWongOT #OTalk think that’s when occ justice starts coming into the picture, it links occ sci with practice(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:49 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @sarahahpmh @gillu3 what do you mean by bread and butter OT. Check we are speaking the same language ;0) #OTalk 1/2(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 20:59:55 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @sarahahpmh @gillu3 I mean occupation based practice should be our bread and butter. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:00:28 +0100) |
| @stairliftscheme | RT @Helen_otuk : @LeonoraOT yes a recurring theme I feel… but good to educate and share. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:00:29 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @kirstyes @CharOTReilly @BillWongOT Key re: creativity is in application of EBP. Not good to be creative alone secondary to safety #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:01:00 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @DrWMB In my sessions as a client, I see concepts of OS applied in my lifestyle redesign sessions. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:01:24 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @CharOTReilly yes OT programmes are very different. What would be essential learning do you think? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:01:41 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | @gillu3 #OTalk I ask the students doing my msc occ sci module to explore how the theories inform practice. The links are intricate(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:19 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @allisulli @kirstyes @CharOTReilly oh yes! Safety is important, esp. since it’s a crucial area in knowing we r competent or not. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:49 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @Helen_otuk yes agree. I actually think our assessment/consultation skills vital but doesn’t always have to be us doing intervention #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:02:49 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @allisulli @kirstyes @BillWongOT exactly SU safety always comes first. Then use our skills to meet occ focused goals #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:05 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | Just a reminder it is after 9…. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:24 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @CharOTReilly @DrWMB @allisulli yes… that’s where our skills in getting the client’s occupational history comes in. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:31 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @MHOTJohnC @kirstyes #OTalk – Peloquin SM(1994) Occ Therpy as Art & Science: Should theOlder Definition Be Reclaimed? AJOT 48(11) 1093-6.(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:34 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | I’m aware we are out of time, I’ll be around for a bit longer. Thanks to all for input. Aware it’s been a bit controversial #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:03:34 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | I’d love to have longer conversations with interested parties because I’m not sure for once if Twitter was best medium. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:19 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes been a great one, lots to think about, thanks. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:30 +0100) |
| @DrWMB | @Helen_otuk thanks! The Paradise is on TV… #OTalk goodbye, good to hear from you all, Wendy(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:04:55 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | Maybe once summary on blog this could continue in more detail if people would like? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:14 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @DrWMB Enjoy. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:34 +0100) |
| @sophiewearing | Totally missed #OTalk yet again!(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:54 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @kirstyes ess learning: dif conditions impact function, OT models, observation skills, OT philosophy, int techniques #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:05:59 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @DrWMB : #OTalk definitions of occupation tend to be so broad that having an occupational focus in practice becomes difficult to define clearly?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:18 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @DrWMB @gillu3 I do same in my applied theories course for the MSOT program at AIC. It is very helpful to Level 1 FW to help w this #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:28 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @DrWMB very good point. Thanks. Will ensure I capture this. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:06:40 +0100) |
| @LeonoraOT | Thanks all, fab chat, stimulating. I’m in morning routine now?MT” @DrWMB : @Helen_otuk thanks! The Paradise is on TV… #OTalk “(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:07:59 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 I think that old ground hasn’t been completely sedimented over ;0). Good point made by Julia Scott today, don’t just talk, do #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:10 +0100) |
| @gilliancrossley | sorry #otalk just about survived the bday party! I will have a read through the tweets(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:28 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @kirstyes would it be too much to have an #occhat on these lines? Very challenging #otalk . lots of tangents. U were masterful in guiding us(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:38 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @Helen_otuk good idea Helen. Thanks both @kirstyes for a great #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:08:46 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 I’m really sorry you feel been lost opportunity. Was trying to get there. I’d invite you to wrote a blog post if you’d like #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:09:06 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @Helen_otuk Great idea, Helen! Core skills gets everyone riled up. Haha. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:09:38 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @allisulli I think that why I wanted it to be an #otalk to challenge things.Not as successful as I’d hoped but thanks.Will see about #occhat (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:10:16 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | In my classmates’ opinion, they feel that a lot of occupational scientists are disconnected with what’s going on in OT practice. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:10:44 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 Agree. Interested to hear your ideas on how to do this. If you’d like to host a chat anytime let me know. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:11:13 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @sarahahpmh sorry I am quite speedy. If you want to DM me your e-mail happy to catch up – great to do it to include in summary. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:12:09 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @CharOTReilly @helen_otuk thanks for your input. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:12:33 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @kirstyes interesting to see the different clinical expectations/goals from practitioners & students w wide variation in experience #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:12:53 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @kirstyes I’d hope it always happens in practice otherwise how are we staying true to our philosophy. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:13:00 +0100) |
| @bobcollinsOT | Could someone post a link to the blog site where all the #otalk #occhat summaries are please? Many thanks. Have a good evening x(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:13:14 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @kirstyes @gillu3 I would love for @gillu3 to host a chat! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:10 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @CharOTReilly @kirstyes you can def. instill these values in the students you supervise during placements! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:28 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | Lets remember folks that the 1 hour gives a chance to start the conversation. More detail can be added to the summary or write a post #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:14:37 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @CharOTReilly this is where I’m coming from in that I’m not sure it always is. #OTalk great that you’ve had placements where it is(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:15:04 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @allisulli @kirstyes @gillu3 second! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:15:08 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @kirstyes thank you! you did amazing job at facilitating tonight especially with contraversiol topic #otalk enjoy rest of it eve(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:15:16 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | If peeps do not have own blog let us know we would love guess posts on the blog. Do DM. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:17:17 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 @allisulli @kirstyes Have a topic in mind and then you have to play moderator to control the flow of the chat. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:18:20 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @CharOTReilly I would hope so! Things may not change otherwise. You are our future leaders after all ;0) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:18:51 +0100) |
| @CharOTReilly | @BillWongOT @kirstyes agreed and as students can we instill upon our educators and/ or colleagues #newgeneration #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:19:22 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @CharOTReilly thank you. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:19:24 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @CharOTReilly @billwongot obviously you have to do it sensitively. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:19:51 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @CharOTReilly and thanks to folks like you, I have been broadening my horizons in being a leader in OT. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:20:09 +0100) |
| @Helen_otuk | @kirstyes great topic… good discussion to be had! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:20:55 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 think of it like controlling the flow of a small group discussion, except it will be on Twitter. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:15 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 go on chuck your radical at me ;0) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:21 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @DrWMB : @CharOTReilly @kirstyes #OTalk creativity is central to professional artistry. Tried to explain this in BJOT in paper on creek in 2010(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:47 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @CharOTReilly I second that. You don’t want to damage your rapport with your supervisors. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:21:54 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @CharOTReilly @kirstyes But as a clinical instructor, this is something you can make an impact on day 1 when you have ur student. 🙂 #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:22:30 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 @helen_otuk blog ;0) #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:23:12 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 yes can do. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:23:37 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 Ah ya will – to quote Mrs. Doyle from Father Ted. Would be interested on your views on my presentation too. My OT journey. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:24:54 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @DrWMB @CharOTReilly @kirstyes #OTalk Wendy thats a big “Like” from me! I totallyagree. It develops wth mastery. c/f my consultant OT report(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:11 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | I think for us who are students, it will be good to remember this chat, esp. when we become clinical instructors. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:33 +0100) |
| @stairliftscheme | RT @Helen_otuk : @kirstyes great topic… good discussion to be had! #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:25:47 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | For educators, this will be a value that should be talked about critically w/ students IMO #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:26:16 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @gillu3 because students do benefit from learning from a great clinical instructor in OT practice #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:29:04 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 you meant for #OTalk right?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:29:50 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @Helen_otuk : Maybe once summary on blog this could continue in more detail if people would like? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:30:28 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | RT @DrWMB : @gillu3 #OTalk I ask the students doing my msc occ sci module to explore how the theories inform practice. The links are intricate(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:31:26 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @DrWMB @gillu3 I agree with this and hoped to drive the discussion in that area. #Fail My pres called occ Sci and the dissatisfied. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:32:24 +0100) |
| @MarriottHelen | @kirstyes I’m new to #OTalk but so far has allowed me to hear & share views on key topics for OTs whilst also considering ‘brand AHP'(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:33:37 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MarriottHelen hi Helen. Thanks for that. We had to submit for last week but I’ll make a note for future. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:36:05 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @gillu3 @BillWongOT @kirstyes #Otalk agree definitely Gill.. There are many other scientific disciplines that OTs can and should draw on(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:38:16 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | . @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @billwongot and we do. What suggestions would you add? Do you see any merit in OS? #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:40:32 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @kirstyes @gillu3 @BillWongOT #OTalk Kirsty you are about to press one of my buttons haha – I think OS has its limits. We need all sciences(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:42:54 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @kirstyes @allisulli I agree completely: why I offered therapeutic use of self as a core skill. This is the Art:) #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:43:49 +0100) |
| @MarriottHelen | @kirstyes Great to catch up on #OTalk at later date if iv not been able to make it on time! Hope the other professions follow suit! #AHPage ?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:46:23 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @kirstyes @gillu3 @BillWongOT #OTalk Kielhofner also believed this. Biology tells us alot; econiche theory; play theory; sociology, etc(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:46:47 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @gillu3 I think OS does have its limits. But that’s where we need brilliant minds to open it up. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:47:26 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @billwongot All this integral part of course. Have to admit not familiar with econiche. * Heads to google. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:48:34 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 @billwongot ah ecological theory? Hadn’t heard your term before though. #OTalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:50:16 +0100) |
| @allisulli | @gillu3 @MHOTJohnC @sarahahpmh #otalk is a public process. As an open forum, and as a new format, it includes students and new practitioners(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:51:23 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 don’t we OT’s use the ecological model sometimes? #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:52:08 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @MHOTJohnC @kirstyes @gillu3 I read something similar to that when I was studying for the US OT board exam. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:53:14 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 I should get one of the PhD students in the US on a Twitter chat then. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:55:58 +0100) |
| @BillWongOT | @kirstyes @MHOTJohnC @gillu3 I know OS is a pretty big focus at USC. #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 21:56:20 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @MHOTJohnC and should obv have looked at what research already done. We alternate #otalk with #occhat . It’s an area I’m only just exploring(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:18:17 +0100) |
| @MHOTJohnC | @kirstyes all lots to debate! is #occhat different from #otalk ?(Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:19:40 +0100) |
| @kirstyes | @gillu3 @MHOTJohnC I’m sure there are some we naturally click more with. Was interesting this time because I did blur the #occhat and #otalk (Tue, 16 Oct 2012 22:31:00 +0100) |
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